1 00:00:03,169 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:04,249 --> 00:00:03,179 triangle 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,259 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:08,270 --> 00:00:05,370 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:11,209 --> 00:00:08,280 Rendlesham forest incident that aliens 6 00:00:15,259 --> 00:00:11,219 at all it was completely silent it comes 7 00:00:17,060 --> 00:00:15,269 right over our head it's so toxic flying 8 00:00:18,830 --> 00:00:17,070 saucer really standing in the clearing 9 00:00:20,450 --> 00:00:18,840 he turned over to my father and held his 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:20,460 hand and he looked in his eyes and said 11 00:00:28,429 --> 00:00:26,970 we're not alone welcome to podcast UFO 12 00:00:30,830 --> 00:00:28,439 for our live show 13 00:00:33,049 --> 00:00:30,840 we're live every Wednesday at 8 p.m. 14 00:00:35,540 --> 00:00:33,059 Eastern Standard Time on the dark matter 15 00:00:39,229 --> 00:00:35,550 radio network please 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00:01:15,740 --> 00:01:12,869 going to be telling us about the latest 31 00:01:17,210 --> 00:01:15,750 UFO events we have some new t-shirts 32 00:01:18,950 --> 00:01:17,220 available on our website and they're 33 00:01:20,690 --> 00:01:18,960 pretty awesome they have a great image 34 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:20,700 UFO crash site 35 00:01:26,510 --> 00:01:23,280 by James Nathan he has given us the 36 00:01:28,550 --> 00:01:26,520 rights to use that image and so for $25 37 00:01:30,140 --> 00:01:28,560 right on our website you can buy a 38 00:01:32,270 --> 00:01:30,150 t-shirt all different sizes 39 00:01:34,670 --> 00:01:32,280 free shipping we'll have to work out 40 00:01:35,749 --> 00:01:34,680 European shipping and around the world I 41 00:01:38,450 --> 00:01:35,759 don't know what the cost will be for 42 00:01:41,749 --> 00:01:38,460 that but we'll figure that out check it 43 00:01:44,179 --> 00:01:41,759 out on podcast UFO well what better 44 00:01:48,139 --> 00:01:44,189 place does anyone have to complain but 45 00:01:51,410 --> 00:01:48,149 on their own podcast and last week I had 46 00:01:54,940 --> 00:01:51,420 moved our domain podcast UFO calm to a 47 00:01:57,469 --> 00:01:54,950 dedicated server because of traffic and 48 00:01:59,359 --> 00:01:57,479 if you're a subscriber through Joyride 49 00:02:01,730 --> 00:01:59,369 that will not affect you in any way it 50 00:02:03,469 --> 00:02:01,740 didn't affect you last week but if 51 00:02:05,780 --> 00:02:03,479 you're a regular listener on our web 52 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:05,790 site or on itunes stitcher and all that 53 00:02:09,869 --> 00:02:08,399 I do apologize the show just went up on 54 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:09,879 Monday 55 00:02:16,649 --> 00:02:13,530 last Wednesday after the last podcast I 56 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:16,659 couldn't upload the podcast because of 57 00:02:22,679 --> 00:02:19,180 the new server settings and I spent most 58 00:02:25,140 --> 00:02:22,689 of the night with a Hostgator 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whole 73 00:03:07,140 --> 00:03:05,739 situation hopefully it'll be ironed out 74 00:03:10,050 --> 00:03:07,150 and the show will get straightened out 75 00:03:12,270 --> 00:03:10,060 and just one more thing before we bring 76 00:03:15,420 --> 00:03:12,280 Alejandro on if you want to subscribe to 77 00:03:19,740 --> 00:03:15,430 here the second hour has a podcast go to 78 00:03:22,039 --> 00:03:19,750 get Joyride comm slash podcast UFO the 79 00:03:24,689 --> 00:03:22,049 link is right on our website as well 80 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:24,699 subscribers pay $1 a month or more to 81 00:03:29,219 --> 00:03:27,489 access the full two hours show and that 82 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:29,229 includes a private link you can use for 83 00:03:33,899 --> 00:03:31,930 iTunes on your iPhone and all kinds of 84 00:03:35,729 --> 00:03:33,909 media players and if you have any 85 00:03:38,789 --> 00:03:35,739 questions or problems just email me at 86 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:38,799 Martin at podcast UFO comm and by the 87 00:03:42,750 --> 00:03:40,449 way my email is not quite straightened 88 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:42,760 out it's almost fixed I am getting some 89 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:45,970 of the emails and so hopefully all will 90 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:47,650 be straightened out and that's enough 91 00:03:50,399 --> 00:03:49,930 complaining for me but boy does it feel 92 00:03:53,909 --> 00:03:50,409 good 93 00:03:54,420 --> 00:03:53,919 Alejandro was that too much no this is 94 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:54,430 okay 95 00:04:03,599 --> 00:03:58,650 yeah I'm not a real Debbie Downer no I'm 96 00:04:06,619 --> 00:04:03,609 not bummed by that unfortunately good 97 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:06,629 customer service is hard to come by he 98 00:04:12,899 --> 00:04:09,729 it's been something else but anyway 99 00:04:15,689 --> 00:04:12,909 hopefully it'll be all set and let's 100 00:04:18,449 --> 00:04:15,699 talk about what's going on out there 101 00:04:20,819 --> 00:04:18,459 you're getting busy and ready for the 102 00:04:22,710 --> 00:04:20,829 for the upcoming UFO Congress I'm making 103 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:22,720 arrangements to be out there 104 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:25,810 I'm pretty excited yeah so am i I'm 105 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:29,290 really excited I just I I think I've 106 00:04:33,420 --> 00:04:31,330 said this before I just love you know 107 00:04:34,470 --> 00:04:33,430 these people being able to share their 108 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:34,480 information 109 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:36,130 you know people that you've interviewed 110 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:38,830 and you know I think it's hit-or-miss 111 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:42,160 always just like when you have someone 112 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:44,890 on you don't know I think it's a good 113 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:46,510 thing to do someone who does some work 114 00:04:51,450 --> 00:04:49,210 but you're not familiar with them or or 115 00:04:53,850 --> 00:04:51,460 you know how well they're able to 116 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:53,860 articulate their work but there's so 117 00:04:59,340 --> 00:04:55,180 many times where you're pleasantly 118 00:05:02,820 --> 00:04:59,350 surprised and I love just featuring the 119 00:05:05,370 --> 00:05:02,830 great hard work by so many people out 120 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:05,380 there you know that are really into this 121 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:07,450 topic and take it very seriously 122 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:09,970 so it's always really exciting you know 123 00:05:14,250 --> 00:05:12,370 we always like to present people that 124 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:14,260 aren't out there on the circuit I think 125 00:05:18,810 --> 00:05:16,270 it's unfortunate that most of 126 00:05:21,180 --> 00:05:18,820 conferences have the same people because 127 00:05:24,450 --> 00:05:21,190 they're just so fearful of having 128 00:05:27,090 --> 00:05:24,460 someone different mm-hmm so I love doing 129 00:05:29,159 --> 00:05:27,100 that and often you know the speakers 130 00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:29,169 that we have end up being the new people 131 00:05:33,270 --> 00:05:30,820 on the circuit bringing in new blood I 132 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:33,280 think maybe some of the people who are 133 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:34,690 regular on the circuit maybe get 134 00:05:39,030 --> 00:05:36,850 frustrated by that but you know it's 135 00:05:42,090 --> 00:05:39,040 fair and it's good and some of them who 136 00:05:44,159 --> 00:05:42,100 are genuine you know researchers and 137 00:05:46,020 --> 00:05:44,169 love the field are happy to have new 138 00:05:49,020 --> 00:05:46,030 blood coming in and sharing new 139 00:05:51,210 --> 00:05:49,030 information and new perspectives so I'm 140 00:05:52,650 --> 00:05:51,220 extremely excited mainly to share the 141 00:05:55,050 --> 00:05:52,660 information with people and we have a 142 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:55,060 lot of great speakers yeah I've always 143 00:05:58,350 --> 00:05:57,610 tried to get unique and new speakers on 144 00:06:00,030 --> 00:05:58,360 this show 145 00:06:01,530 --> 00:06:00,040 and you know sometimes you know I 146 00:06:04,370 --> 00:06:01,540 watched the download sometimes the 147 00:06:07,830 --> 00:06:04,380 downloads aren't that popular but still 148 00:06:10,350 --> 00:06:07,840 you know I just think it is it is good 149 00:06:14,090 --> 00:06:10,360 to to shine to a new light on you know 150 00:06:18,510 --> 00:06:17,010 probably due to we've got kind of a an 151 00:06:20,969 --> 00:06:18,520 audience who's gonna be there no matter 152 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:20,979 what and that's what's great they'll 153 00:06:25,170 --> 00:06:23,260 listen maybe they won't like it 154 00:06:28,170 --> 00:06:25,180 and they'll say that and you'll you'll 155 00:06:30,450 --> 00:06:28,180 have a little bit of a less listeners 156 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:30,460 and you know maybe get some feedback but 157 00:06:35,159 --> 00:06:32,800 what's great is often you know they'll 158 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:35,169 still give it a chance because they like 159 00:06:39,660 --> 00:06:36,250 listening fish 160 00:06:42,570 --> 00:06:39,670 and and then they're happily surprised 161 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:42,580 by you know how great someone is or the 162 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:44,740 great information that they have and and 163 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:47,500 you're introducing someone new to people 164 00:06:51,450 --> 00:06:49,210 and that's that's awesome well I gotta 165 00:06:53,790 --> 00:06:51,460 tell you ever since I've been on your 166 00:06:57,780 --> 00:06:53,800 show way back I think was a year and a 167 00:07:01,380 --> 00:06:57,790 half ago my show has instantly grew up 168 00:07:03,660 --> 00:07:01,390 by one grew one third for downloads 169 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:03,670 right after that and so I think we share 170 00:07:06,540 --> 00:07:05,260 a lot of the same listeners matter of 171 00:07:08,370 --> 00:07:06,550 fact someone emailed me the other day 172 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:08,380 they said they're kind of listening to 173 00:07:15,350 --> 00:07:10,450 the same UFO news twice but they don't 174 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:15,360 care funny but and it's with a different 175 00:07:23,370 --> 00:07:17,890 you know straight guy because you're my 176 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:23,380 straight guy and Jason is on our show so 177 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:25,530 so that means it's different strokes 178 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:28,120 look slightly different sense of humor 179 00:07:32,670 --> 00:07:31,090 but and different takes on because then 180 00:07:34,890 --> 00:07:32,680 you'll have you know interesting 181 00:07:37,260 --> 00:07:34,900 questions regarding the news that of 182 00:07:39,150 --> 00:07:37,270 course we wouldn't have on our show so 183 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:39,160 it's still good and I agree with you I 184 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:41,530 think we have a similar sensibility to 185 00:07:47,159 --> 00:07:45,490 this we agree so much on and have 186 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:47,169 similar perspectives on the whole thing 187 00:07:53,250 --> 00:07:50,080 right oh so what is going on this week 188 00:07:55,350 --> 00:07:53,260 has it been has it been a busy week it's 189 00:07:58,860 --> 00:07:55,360 been an interesting week it has been 190 00:08:02,250 --> 00:07:58,870 somewhat busy and it's been a real weird 191 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:02,260 interesting week which is good so yeah I 192 00:08:08,130 --> 00:08:03,910 have a couple sightings and then I kind 193 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:08,140 of a new new cool story and that has to 194 00:08:11,550 --> 00:08:10,210 do with John Greenwald so but something 195 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:11,560 completely different than what's been 196 00:08:16,890 --> 00:08:15,280 going on here yeah okay but yeah fuchs 197 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:16,900 stories here so the first one I want to 198 00:08:22,350 --> 00:08:19,270 talk about is a UFO sighting outside of 199 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:22,360 Roswell New Mexico so this is exciting 200 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:25,450 this was December 27th this was written 201 00:08:29,909 --> 00:08:27,130 up by Roger Marsh she was the director 202 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:29,919 of communications for a MUFON who writes 203 00:08:34,980 --> 00:08:32,530 about MUFON stories or sightings on our 204 00:08:38,010 --> 00:08:34,990 website and this one took place December 205 00:08:40,469 --> 00:08:38,020 27th it was a guy driving in an RV 206 00:08:42,300 --> 00:08:40,479 I guess he's driving across country I 207 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:42,310 don't think he gave details there but 208 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:44,910 he's outside of town and he sees 209 00:08:49,370 --> 00:08:48,310 something you know 50 60 feet off the 210 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:49,380 ground 211 00:08:54,590 --> 00:08:51,330 and he's wondering what the heck this 212 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:54,600 thing is eventually he thought then it 213 00:08:58,970 --> 00:08:56,850 was a large metal bar but as he got 214 00:09:03,110 --> 00:08:58,980 closer he said he could tell it was a 215 00:09:05,510 --> 00:09:03,120 large triangle it moved down to about 25 216 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:05,520 feet off the ground and it was there for 217 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:08,310 a while while him and and his wife were 218 00:09:12,950 --> 00:09:11,010 looking her sister was sitting back 219 00:09:15,410 --> 00:09:12,960 there looking at this UFO wondering what 220 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:15,420 the hell this is he finally realized oh 221 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:18,110 man I've got my camera right over here 222 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:21,650 he goes to grab the camera and it's gone 223 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:24,510 so yeah really interesting sighting 224 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:27,000 right outside of Roswell is this like 225 00:09:30,830 --> 00:09:28,800 two weeks in a row someone that happened 226 00:09:32,570 --> 00:09:30,840 to know the other guy got pictures but 227 00:09:34,430 --> 00:09:32,580 when he put gas in his car the thing 228 00:09:36,620 --> 00:09:34,440 just took off or something yeah exactly 229 00:09:38,390 --> 00:09:36,630 he got a picture but the object was 230 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:38,400 really far off and so you couldn't 231 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:40,080 really make much out of the picture but 232 00:09:44,540 --> 00:09:42,210 yeah he felt that that was a triangular 233 00:09:46,370 --> 00:09:44,550 shaped object as well so it does seem 234 00:09:47,870 --> 00:09:46,380 and we've got some more stories does 235 00:09:50,780 --> 00:09:47,880 seem like there's a lot of triangular 236 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:50,790 UFO sightings out these days it does you 237 00:09:56,590 --> 00:09:52,650 know I think the saucer went out of 238 00:10:01,040 --> 00:09:56,600 style when other and the new model the 239 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:01,050 2015 in our time model is the triangle 240 00:10:06,710 --> 00:10:04,380 yeah and you know a lot of people say no 241 00:10:09,470 --> 00:10:06,720 those are government but you know it's 242 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:09,480 it's been in my experience because I've 243 00:10:14,660 --> 00:10:12,720 done a lot of research here these ideas 244 00:10:16,460 --> 00:10:14,670 are that we're flying these triangles I 245 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:16,470 can hover and then move off quickly 246 00:10:20,030 --> 00:10:18,570 there's no evidence that we are creating 247 00:10:21,830 --> 00:10:20,040 something like this there's this kind of 248 00:10:26,150 --> 00:10:21,840 urban legend of something called the 249 00:10:28,790 --> 00:10:26,160 tr-3b but there was a tr3 eywa that was 250 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:28,800 a prototype kind of ship but and that's 251 00:10:33,830 --> 00:10:30,930 been known you can go look that up but 252 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:33,840 there is no tr-3b that's known about and 253 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:35,490 that there has been no evidence that 254 00:10:39,650 --> 00:10:37,320 something like that's been developed so 255 00:10:42,530 --> 00:10:39,660 these are unexplained objects these 256 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:42,540 triangular UFOs we don't know where they 257 00:10:48,530 --> 00:10:45,050 come from yeah so what else is happening 258 00:10:50,170 --> 00:10:48,540 yeah in a location of another big UFO 259 00:10:52,460 --> 00:10:50,180 case that's the Rendlesham forest 260 00:10:54,170 --> 00:10:52,470 there's a video that was posted to 261 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:54,180 YouTube of these three balls of lights 262 00:10:58,130 --> 00:10:55,770 they kind of flash there's a military 263 00:10:59,680 --> 00:10:58,140 cop helicopter following these three 264 00:11:02,770 --> 00:10:59,690 balls of lights around 265 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:02,780 and kind of a weird video however a lot 266 00:11:06,490 --> 00:11:04,910 of people are very skeptical about this 267 00:11:08,950 --> 00:11:06,500 video it's one of these things where 268 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:08,960 it's posted on YouTube on an account 269 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:11,810 that was just created so it seems like 270 00:11:15,940 --> 00:11:13,310 this account was just created only to 271 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:15,950 post this video and a lot of people are 272 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:17,930 feeling like a lot of researchers are 273 00:11:23,110 --> 00:11:20,410 feeling like this could be in 274 00:11:26,650 --> 00:11:23,120 preparation for a new movie coming out 275 00:11:30,340 --> 00:11:26,660 called the UFO Rendlesham incident and 276 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:30,350 this is a fiction movie about the 277 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:32,270 Rendlesham forest and they even say it's 278 00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:35,510 not about the original things but it's 279 00:11:39,790 --> 00:11:37,790 about you know you're a leonis chase 280 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:39,800 seeing people on the forest or something 281 00:11:43,990 --> 00:11:42,410 and so a lot of people feel this is 282 00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:44,000 probably a publicity thing for that 283 00:11:48,870 --> 00:11:45,680 upcoming movie Wow 284 00:11:58,870 --> 00:11:48,880 was there also a sighting in Phoenix 285 00:12:01,060 --> 00:11:58,880 Phoenix lights recently yeah remember 286 00:12:03,130 --> 00:12:01,070 not too long ago this David Collins died 287 00:12:05,020 --> 00:12:03,140 and we called yeah he tweeted us trying 288 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:05,030 to convince us otherwise but there was a 289 00:12:08,410 --> 00:12:07,010 story that came out recently and well 290 00:12:10,210 --> 00:12:08,420 they wrote a press release about this 291 00:12:12,310 --> 00:12:10,220 movie coming out and they even said 292 00:12:13,540 --> 00:12:12,320 we've been doing some viral stuff to try 293 00:12:15,130 --> 00:12:13,550 to get this movie out there for 294 00:12:17,830 --> 00:12:15,140 marketing and we're going to be doing 295 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:17,840 some more and it confirmed that that was 296 00:12:22,510 --> 00:12:21,110 some marketing for their movie so yeah 297 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:22,520 they're gonna be doing more so we're 298 00:12:25,630 --> 00:12:23,810 gonna have to be on the lookout for that 299 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:25,640 for sure sure 300 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:28,970 so what else is happening so the final 301 00:12:33,790 --> 00:12:30,890 story and this is really cool the black 302 00:12:35,350 --> 00:12:33,800 vault we most recently talked about that 303 00:12:37,870 --> 00:12:35,360 with the Blue Book files but John 304 00:12:39,310 --> 00:12:37,880 Greenwald who runs this they have 305 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:39,320 something else that they got going on 306 00:12:47,260 --> 00:12:41,450 here the black ball is helping to 307 00:12:49,690 --> 00:12:47,270 sponsor a UFO detector software so this 308 00:12:51,550 --> 00:12:49,700 software assuming it works it's really 309 00:12:55,570 --> 00:12:51,560 cool so it's created by this peep these 310 00:12:57,970 --> 00:12:55,580 people called Project C II the C stands 311 00:13:00,790 --> 00:12:57,980 for connecting evidence they want to 312 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:00,800 remain again anonymous in the creation 313 00:13:05,470 --> 00:13:03,770 of this but this is a program you can 314 00:13:08,620 --> 00:13:05,480 download and install on your computer 315 00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:08,630 and then what it'll do is you take your 316 00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:11,590 USB webcam you put it out your 317 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:14,560 No and this thing will monitor the 318 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:17,170 webcam and whenever something comes a 319 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:19,810 flies across the screen it will analyze 320 00:13:24,270 --> 00:13:22,210 it to find out if it's like a bird or 321 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:24,280 plane if it doesn't know what it is 322 00:13:31,530 --> 00:13:27,580 it'll record the video of this thing so 323 00:13:33,150 --> 00:13:31,540 you can look at it later so yeah pretty 324 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:33,160 cool so what they're doing with this 325 00:13:37,770 --> 00:13:34,930 software too because they want you to 326 00:13:39,570 --> 00:13:37,780 submit like if it records an object and 327 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:39,580 you're like well that's obviously a bird 328 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:42,850 you can submit a picture of that object 329 00:13:48,210 --> 00:13:45,880 to the developers so they can adjust the 330 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:48,220 software so it's more and more accurate 331 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:50,290 so it doesn't get what they call false 332 00:13:55,980 --> 00:13:53,710 positives so it doesn't record birds and 333 00:13:59,250 --> 00:13:55,990 mundane things but it only captures 334 00:14:02,520 --> 00:13:59,260 videos of UFOs it's got that records in 335 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:02,530 high-definition and and it's a free 336 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:04,570 download so it's just gonna ask you how 337 00:14:10,590 --> 00:14:06,550 much it was yeah absolutely 338 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:10,600 yep Wow so really cool so this is 339 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:12,610 exciting especially if it works I'm 340 00:14:20,130 --> 00:14:15,730 hopefully it you know it may help people 341 00:14:23,460 --> 00:14:20,140 get a lot more really good UFO videos so 342 00:14:25,710 --> 00:14:23,470 it can record a night you can have this 343 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:25,720 thing running all day and night I'm 344 00:14:30,030 --> 00:14:27,610 gonna do this I'm gonna get a hook up a 345 00:14:32,850 --> 00:14:30,040 webcam and do this at home and have it 346 00:14:34,770 --> 00:14:32,860 just you know monitoring the low above 347 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:34,780 my apartment complex and see what I can 348 00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:37,930 get but real easy to use I've got some 349 00:14:44,070 --> 00:14:40,750 screenshots here I have links to the 350 00:14:46,170 --> 00:14:44,080 project's EE site but John Greenwald has 351 00:14:47,730 --> 00:14:46,180 a support site on the black bolt for 352 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:47,740 this that has some really good 353 00:14:52,740 --> 00:14:50,530 instructions and he also has a forum 354 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:52,750 because part of this is they want to 355 00:14:57,690 --> 00:14:54,910 create a community where people are 356 00:15:00,360 --> 00:14:57,700 submitting their videos everybody's kind 357 00:15:03,630 --> 00:15:00,370 of analyzing the videos as a community 358 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:03,640 and then also giving feedback asking 359 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:06,810 questions so we can together kind of 360 00:15:10,860 --> 00:15:08,860 investigate and find some good videos 361 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:10,870 awesome I wonder if this thing will 362 00:15:16,620 --> 00:15:12,670 record a flying squirrel who went across 363 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:16,630 I bet it would it probably would but it 364 00:15:21,180 --> 00:15:18,850 wouldn't hopefully it wouldn't save the 365 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:21,190 video because it's not a UFO dive being 366 00:15:29,610 --> 00:15:28,260 and identified flying squirrel I'm only 367 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:29,620 saying this because I'm squirrel 368 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:32,880 infested up here in the mountain I've 369 00:15:39,930 --> 00:15:36,850 done all right thanks a lot and stay 370 00:17:05,380 --> 00:15:39,940 tuned after this tune by Bruce Rainier 371 00:17:12,620 --> 00:17:09,199 welcome back Sam Wow 372 00:17:15,890 --> 00:17:12,630 that was interesting the music yeah 373 00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:15,900 and the conversation with Alejandro yes 374 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:18,510 always it's a pleasure having him on and 375 00:17:25,130 --> 00:17:21,209 it's a pleasure having you back for 376 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:25,140 those who have not heard Sam before if 377 00:17:30,290 --> 00:17:27,660 you're a new listener Sam helped out for 378 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:30,300 a while on the show he's been a guest a 379 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:32,550 couple of times and always has a lot of 380 00:17:37,550 --> 00:17:34,410 fascinating things to say a lot of fun I 381 00:17:40,550 --> 00:17:37,560 consider him a good friend and I'm glad 382 00:17:43,460 --> 00:17:40,560 you're you're doing well what's going on 383 00:17:45,380 --> 00:17:43,470 in the Midwest well I tell you what if 384 00:17:47,810 --> 00:17:45,390 the old boy could just stay on his two 385 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:47,820 feet he'd be doing better I tell you on 386 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:50,250 Tuesdays my new routine is to schedule 387 00:17:56,180 --> 00:17:53,490 myself to fall I fell yesterday an ice I 388 00:17:57,890 --> 00:17:56,190 did a side I did this little thing like 389 00:18:00,440 --> 00:17:57,900 I don't know it was kind of weird and 390 00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:00,450 it's a miracle and break a shoulder in 391 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:02,400 the process but sure enough black ice 392 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:05,070 got me last week did did a similar thing 393 00:18:11,180 --> 00:18:08,970 without the ice somehow I forgot to you 394 00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:11,190 know remember there was 18 inches of 395 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:13,740 stairs between my next step and took a 396 00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:16,980 spill there but I tell you the the 397 00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:20,880 winter has been unusually peaceful for 398 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:25,080 the most part and so have the reports so 399 00:18:29,420 --> 00:18:27,210 the reports that have been coming in 400 00:18:32,980 --> 00:18:29,430 none of which have fallen into our lap 401 00:18:35,450 --> 00:18:32,990 being very gracefully unique and just so 402 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:35,460 stunning that we have to run out and 403 00:18:42,620 --> 00:18:39,690 leave our mukluks in you know in the 404 00:18:46,130 --> 00:18:42,630 closet because they're so interesting 405 00:18:50,450 --> 00:18:46,140 but we are getting some reports many of 406 00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:50,460 them having to do with of course lights 407 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:53,820 in the sky and you know the thing is the 408 00:18:59,780 --> 00:18:55,890 notorious lights in the sky anything at 409 00:19:02,180 --> 00:18:59,790 a distance could seem peculiar depending 410 00:19:05,570 --> 00:19:02,190 on your perspective and of course your 411 00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:05,580 bias the other thing that we get is of 412 00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:08,640 course the complete opposite that it's 413 00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:11,100 mundane that of course just 414 00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:13,320 because it's out there and it does seem 415 00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:16,710 unusual and it is moving unusual well 416 00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:20,820 it's just some something very ROS a ik 417 00:19:26,299 --> 00:19:23,580 and that you know the thing is it 418 00:19:30,940 --> 00:19:26,309 doesn't hurt to file a report especially 419 00:19:33,789 --> 00:19:30,950 if we find out that somebody closer 420 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:33,799 noticed something a little more unusual 421 00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:36,690 because of their perspective and then 422 00:19:41,570 --> 00:19:39,780 that other case can add or I should say 423 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:41,580 report because doesn't really become a 424 00:19:47,870 --> 00:19:44,460 case until it's investigated that report 425 00:19:53,149 --> 00:19:47,880 adds a little more credence possibly to 426 00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:53,159 the better perspective or observation so 427 00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:56,460 folks out there that may be hesitant to 428 00:20:01,370 --> 00:19:59,250 file a report you know if there's some 429 00:20:06,140 --> 00:20:01,380 merit that I feel it's worthwhile go to 430 00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:06,150 MUFON comm file a report and you're 431 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:08,159 gonna get a call back and either way 432 00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:10,650 you'll get some idea what you you did 433 00:20:16,669 --> 00:20:13,500 not see or what you may have seen you 434 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:16,679 know Sam I the last show I announced 435 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:20,970 that well I quietly said that I've been 436 00:20:26,659 --> 00:20:23,850 hesitant to talk about second sighting 437 00:20:29,289 --> 00:20:26,669 because I feel like you know I've talked 438 00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:29,299 many times about the sighting I had but 439 00:20:35,060 --> 00:20:32,640 III was feeling like if I mentioned that 440 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:35,070 I saw something else unusual 441 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:40,770 that it would hurt my credit but I got I 442 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:43,770 think about four or five emails of 443 00:20:48,770 --> 00:20:45,630 people saying go ahead tell me what what 444 00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:48,780 did you what did you see oh so I'm just 445 00:20:53,180 --> 00:20:51,630 gonna say it and and it could be as 446 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:53,190 you're saying could be something totally 447 00:20:57,649 --> 00:20:56,970 prosaic something but it was kind of 448 00:21:00,890 --> 00:20:57,659 hard to explain 449 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:00,900 I was in walking in a golf course at 450 00:21:06,140 --> 00:21:02,330 night I was living on a golf course 451 00:21:09,020 --> 00:21:06,150 about a year ago yes a year ago and so I 452 00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:09,030 was out at night and I saw what I 453 00:21:14,539 --> 00:21:13,020 thought was it looked like the size of 454 00:21:16,130 --> 00:21:14,549 like a star moving and I thought well 455 00:21:19,159 --> 00:21:16,140 it's a big satellite and then I thought 456 00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:19,169 wow it's a real big satellite and but it 457 00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:23,280 was moving like one and so I I was 458 00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:24,660 thinking well this thing so 459 00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:26,340 it's got to be the International Space 460 00:21:29,420 --> 00:21:28,230 Station or something I just couldn't 461 00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:29,430 figure out what it was and then all of a 462 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:31,740 sudden it did these couple of weird 463 00:21:37,910 --> 00:21:33,930 maneuvers and I go oh my god I'm not 464 00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:37,920 really seeing this mi it's I took out my 465 00:21:42,890 --> 00:21:41,460 iPhone I had at the time in and filmed 466 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:42,900 it and I looked at when I got home you 467 00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:44,490 could just barely see this little line 468 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:46,440 you know moving but you couldn't tell 469 00:21:50,150 --> 00:21:48,690 whether it was a camera shake or you 470 00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,160 know it was actually moving in the sky 471 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:53,520 so that was so I won't get any more 472 00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:55,770 email I don't think about that I'm not 473 00:22:00,140 --> 00:21:58,200 going to say it was it was that 474 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:00,150 unidentified to me but I don't know what 475 00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:01,650 it was but I'm not 476 00:22:06,140 --> 00:22:03,720 it was nothing like the first sighting I 477 00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:06,150 had or possible them a real sighting I 478 00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:08,280 had did you talk about that much because 479 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:10,200 that is a good sighting oh yeah yeah I 480 00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:12,690 brought that up for the listener hasn't 481 00:22:15,860 --> 00:22:13,740 heard I don't want to you know keep 482 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:15,870 repeating myself but basically I was in 483 00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:17,850 a hot tub and yes I got teased about 484 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:21,440 that was not drinking at the time and 485 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:25,110 this perfectly shaped disc with a little 486 00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:28,110 bluish silver tent came right over me 487 00:22:32,510 --> 00:22:30,360 and the thing that I had never heard 488 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:32,520 about her known about at the time was it 489 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:35,370 made absolutely no sound and to me that 490 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:37,710 was the most baffling I kept waiting to 491 00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:40,440 hear something and then it took off on a 492 00:22:48,050 --> 00:22:44,760 right angle toward Monterey I was in 493 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:48,060 Carmel Valley California took off toward 494 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:49,290 Monterey and I called the police 495 00:22:53,060 --> 00:22:51,330 department and I was sort of ridiculed 496 00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:53,070 about it and put on hold for 20 minutes 497 00:22:59,150 --> 00:22:55,380 and hung up so that's the basically the 498 00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:59,160 whole ordeal but whenever it was it 499 00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:01,980 certainly was nothing that I had could 500 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:05,100 ever call that was something earthly you 501 00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,490 know be if it was then it's being kept 502 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:11,520 totally secret from us out there well 503 00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:14,130 you know I had a call once at a 504 00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:18,540 conversation with a lady who was a 505 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:22,140 secretary and pertaining to some 506 00:23:27,860 --> 00:23:24,330 business I was working on at that time 507 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:27,870 and she was telling me about an 508 00:23:31,940 --> 00:23:29,730 experience she had 509 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:31,950 mm trying to think of us where it was it 510 00:23:39,019 --> 00:23:35,130 always mehleb ooh and it was between I 511 00:23:42,649 --> 00:23:39,029 was near the coast between two mountains 512 00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:42,659 or whatever in that vicinity and they 513 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:44,940 decided to have a fire in the evening 514 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:48,570 they built this fire they just get it 515 00:23:53,899 --> 00:23:51,090 started and then it was some ways you 516 00:23:55,399 --> 00:23:53,909 know off from the cabin that formed some 517 00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,409 friends of theirs not not it's not 518 00:23:59,289 --> 00:23:57,360 necessarily that far you know with 519 00:24:02,529 --> 00:23:59,299 within close walking distance 520 00:24:08,299 --> 00:24:02,539 they just started and all of a sudden 521 00:24:12,889 --> 00:24:08,309 they seen these two these two points of 522 00:24:16,090 --> 00:24:12,899 light appearing at intervals let's say I 523 00:24:19,639 --> 00:24:16,100 must parallel over the peaks of the two 524 00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:19,649 mountains on each side of them they 525 00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:21,960 watched it and what had happened is they 526 00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:25,380 started to head towards each other to 527 00:24:31,159 --> 00:24:27,720 you know to be coming directly overhead 528 00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:31,169 and then maybe came directly overhead 529 00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:33,809 while they were moving up they starting 530 00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:36,960 to he began to hear the coyotes yipping 531 00:24:42,379 --> 00:24:39,990 and yelling and carrying on then all of 532 00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:42,389 a sudden as this progression of these 533 00:24:48,980 --> 00:24:45,870 two lights start to come together there 534 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:48,990 was this buzzing of like if they said it 535 00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:50,610 was if they were being swarmed by 536 00:24:58,129 --> 00:24:54,120 insects or bees and I've heard this many 537 00:25:04,490 --> 00:24:58,139 a time in Close Encounters or being very 538 00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:04,500 close a close proximity to a object such 539 00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:09,840 as a UFO and its progressing and 540 00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:12,419 progressing that all of a sudden when it 541 00:25:17,629 --> 00:25:14,820 they come together directly overhead 542 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:17,639 there there's this humongous being of 543 00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:21,450 light that just shines down and it's 544 00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:25,620 just wow and all of a sudden they feel 545 00:25:32,299 --> 00:25:29,580 they were knocked out wake up look at 546 00:25:35,629 --> 00:25:32,309 each other and running out of the house 547 00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:35,639 is the woman who owned the place and she 548 00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,620 goes what was that what happened what 549 00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,080 happened and they all look at her and 550 00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:42,720 they look down and 551 00:25:50,299 --> 00:25:46,640 that they had just started this huge 552 00:25:52,820 --> 00:25:50,309 bonfire was nothing but ashes and cinder 553 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:52,830 so they had the time missing - that's 554 00:25:59,899 --> 00:25:56,940 very much like the allagash incest yes 555 00:26:03,680 --> 00:25:59,909 very much was telling me that I was 556 00:26:05,659 --> 00:26:03,690 thinking of the very same case and they 557 00:26:10,930 --> 00:26:05,669 swore to each other Martin that they 558 00:26:14,659 --> 00:26:10,940 would never tell anybody about this and 559 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:14,669 how I be befriend her to least gain her 560 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:18,120 confidence into talking about this was 561 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:19,770 the week prior 562 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:25,110 I have nocturnal cognition and for a 563 00:26:30,919 --> 00:26:27,210 series of nights it was really being 564 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:30,929 active on unusual things and usually I 565 00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:32,610 would wake up and I would say a few 566 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:36,179 words seems you know gibberish in the 567 00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,730 morning but they were all relevant to 568 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:40,559 what transpired further on in the day 569 00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:44,450 and I woke up that day and I said red 570 00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:55,500 cat something to do with something so 571 00:27:00,680 --> 00:26:57,659 this very same person mind you now this 572 00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:00,690 is like a week or two earlier we start 573 00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,440 talking and she was a secretary so she 574 00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:06,960 was the person had to go through to talk 575 00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:09,419 to I had a business relationship with 576 00:27:14,270 --> 00:27:12,120 and so we got the talk quite a bit and 577 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:14,280 we start talking and there's all sorts 578 00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:15,570 of things and I says well what did you 579 00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:17,580 this week and she goes you'd never guess 580 00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,460 what happened to me I was by my friend's 581 00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:23,760 house and her cat had kittens and they 582 00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:25,950 were all just so beautiful but one in 583 00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:28,350 particularly was just so unusual you 584 00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:31,289 never guess what color it was and I go 585 00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:33,390 red and all of a sudden there was this 586 00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:44,720 from that point on we started talking 587 00:27:51,139 --> 00:27:48,559 about we started talking about unusual 588 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:51,149 experiences paranormal experiences or 589 00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:54,490 experiences working at a haunted 590 00:27:59,520 --> 00:27:57,520 hotel I believe was an Oregon and it was 591 00:28:02,490 --> 00:27:59,530 interesting to to hear about it and then 592 00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:02,500 soon later I you know I think was no 593 00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:05,320 more than six months ago I actually seen 594 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:06,460 something other than the shows 595 00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:09,310 pertaining to the very location she was 596 00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:12,390 at and she was telling me about it was a 597 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:14,680 woman eventually told you about this 598 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:17,290 amazing sighting you were just yes and 599 00:28:24,390 --> 00:28:20,110 that was the last time I got to speak to 600 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:24,400 her but the the way she she built it up 601 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:27,610 and and you could tell she's she was 602 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:29,770 actually afraid to talk about it but she 603 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:32,910 gave it in such details that you know 604 00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:36,130 when somebody describes something and 605 00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,230 this I think goes back to the value of 606 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:40,240 the oral tradition it's so important to 607 00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:44,290 us I think it's part of our physiology 608 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:46,980 more so than our psychology who knows 609 00:28:53,610 --> 00:28:49,510 but you know I think this goes way back 610 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:53,620 to being sitting around the campfire and 611 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:55,690 telling stories when she's giving me 612 00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:57,370 she's painting this picture with her 613 00:29:02,580 --> 00:28:59,650 beautiful words I get this whole image 614 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:02,590 and the sound I know this sound I know 615 00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:04,810 the sound of what she was talking about 616 00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:07,630 I can relate to this the sound of the 617 00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:10,660 swarming sound of bees or insects around 618 00:29:15,180 --> 00:29:12,760 here and the yipping of coyotes these 619 00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:15,190 are things like a relay to relay to it 620 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,870 and in the background hearing the 621 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:19,120 crackling of the fire then all of a 622 00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:21,610 sudden to this APEC services these two 623 00:29:27,030 --> 00:29:25,360 adjoining lights and an instant beam and 624 00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:27,040 I could just feel the energy because 625 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:29,020 I've been there I know what she's 626 00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:30,070 talking about 627 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:31,630 and I know many people out there 628 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:34,450 listening to us right now can we link to 629 00:29:40,020 --> 00:29:36,730 it if not soar in a personal experience 630 00:29:43,650 --> 00:29:40,030 that maybe somebody they know yeah well 631 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:43,660 well yeah I don't remember the details 632 00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:45,370 of your sighting but I just wanted to 633 00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,990 say to the list and live listener out 634 00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:49,360 there right now you can jump in our chat 635 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:51,340 room if you'd like to send Sam a 636 00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:54,730 question or or talk between yourselves 637 00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,450 whatever it's at podcast UFO comm right 638 00:30:04,790 --> 00:30:00,960 on the sidebar two clicks to get in and 639 00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:04,800 so Sam and I are gonna be talking about 640 00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:08,320 UFOs in general some Illinois 641 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:11,800 and Midwestern UFO encounters over the 642 00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:14,650 years and then in the second hour 643 00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:16,390 what did you say we're gonna do we're 644 00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:18,580 gonna get get freaky we're going to talk 645 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:23,590 about the freaky so so stay tuned for 646 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:26,050 that and if you're not a subscriber for 647 00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:29,110 only $1 a month which is about 23 cents 648 00:30:34,110 --> 00:30:31,270 a week you can listen to the full show 649 00:30:38,790 --> 00:30:34,120 if you're just listening to this part on 650 00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:38,800 a podcast so Sam from here would you 651 00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:41,920 like to talk about I wanted I want you 652 00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:44,200 to tell me why you know about this this 653 00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:46,150 buzzing sound headed are you did you 654 00:30:53,550 --> 00:30:50,140 have a similar experience yes I I've had 655 00:30:57,540 --> 00:30:53,560 a similar experience years back when was 656 00:31:01,460 --> 00:30:57,550 a child I was having what we probably 657 00:31:07,140 --> 00:31:01,470 refer to as encounters these beings and 658 00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:07,150 whatever else was out there this is the 659 00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:08,950 sound I heard this was prior to having 660 00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:11,380 tinnitus and I hear it all the time but 661 00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:12,910 it's it's a different version of the 662 00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:15,280 buzzing this is more of a ringing 663 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:19,750 tinnitus but it's like whirling insects 664 00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:24,850 around you and you could hear it's the 665 00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:27,640 sound of it is isn't okay for those who 666 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,870 have tinnitus you know it's a constant 667 00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:31,600 buzzing sound but imagine insects if you 668 00:31:37,950 --> 00:31:35,020 ever been near a beehive or something 669 00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:37,960 like that but magnified you know much 670 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:40,390 greater and swirling around you or 671 00:31:44,220 --> 00:31:42,970 there's depth and feel that there's 672 00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:44,230 motion going on 673 00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:48,460 so this was going on around them and the 674 00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,760 Iping of coyotes during the Tinley Park 675 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:53,440 case to allude to that right real quick 676 00:31:59,790 --> 00:31:56,410 there was hyping and in fact and some of 677 00:32:02,970 --> 00:31:59,800 the the video footage we actually had 678 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:02,980 that the dogs barking and people's 679 00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:04,570 although it's because there were people 680 00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:07,150 around no it wasn't because people 681 00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:08,710 around they were barking at a distance 682 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:11,320 too and that seemed like they were all 683 00:32:19,170 --> 00:32:14,290 yipping and barking and and further off 684 00:32:22,420 --> 00:32:19,180 in the parks or some of these hollows 685 00:32:24,850 --> 00:32:22,430 or you have lakes and stuff you could 686 00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:24,860 hear him howling the coyotes howling so 687 00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:27,740 well something was getting their 688 00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:30,860 attention and this was prior to these 689 00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,110 things being directly overhead were 690 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:35,840 there it was seeing the illuminations or 691 00:32:42,910 --> 00:32:38,690 the potentially would possibly a massive 692 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:42,920 triangular some unusually massive object 693 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:47,710 now other sounds that people some people 694 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:50,450 were getting interference as you recall 695 00:32:58,210 --> 00:32:55,370 on the FM band on there was like a 696 00:33:00,400 --> 00:32:58,220 Nextel phone with radio and they were 697 00:33:02,170 --> 00:33:00,410 getting interference in fact that those 698 00:33:06,370 --> 00:33:02,180 Nextel phones didn't work when it came 699 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:06,380 to that radio mode some people were 700 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:09,050 actually getting some unusual chatter 701 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:13,130 and talk on baby monitors and you know 702 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:16,970 this was wasn't because they had just 703 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:21,650 seen what was the movie signs so you 704 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:25,130 know it's funny how movies do reflect 705 00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:27,140 actual things that take place in this 706 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:30,470 field so this was going on now as far as 707 00:33:36,610 --> 00:33:33,770 the swirling sounds no one heard that 708 00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:36,620 that I heard you know I never heard 709 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:38,420 anybody mentioning it in that case 710 00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:41,930 but in other cases yes where people are 711 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:45,740 close to objects for the objects seem to 712 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:50,090 kind of down upon them and many a time 713 00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:52,850 you hear you hear about this this very 714 00:34:00,550 --> 00:33:56,480 brilliant light shining down and ending 715 00:34:04,150 --> 00:34:00,560 them whether attractor beams or whatever 716 00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:04,160 transpires one thing that does take 717 00:34:11,110 --> 00:34:07,270 place with anything that's altering 718 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:11,120 gravity and we think that this is part 719 00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:15,290 of the the science behind the physics 720 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:22,940 behind the actual thing you're gonna 721 00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:26,450 have an effect on time it does affect 722 00:34:32,620 --> 00:34:29,960 time and the same thing with genuine 723 00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:32,630 crop glyphs slash crop circles 724 00:34:39,130 --> 00:34:35,780 whatever you get reports of the effect 725 00:34:40,630 --> 00:34:39,140 of time loss or time altered one other 726 00:34:44,410 --> 00:34:40,640 thing that I don't know if I ever talk 727 00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:44,420 to you about the time lost seems to be 728 00:34:48,490 --> 00:34:46,220 regained at some point is if it's 729 00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:48,500 elastic like stretching out a rubber 730 00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:53,600 band this is kind of strange on three 731 00:35:00,220 --> 00:34:57,760 instances and I'll tell you two of them 732 00:35:02,770 --> 00:35:00,230 part of the case that we'll be talking 733 00:35:05,590 --> 00:35:02,780 or talking about later is what I 734 00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:05,600 referred to as the Frankie a gentleman 735 00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:08,960 who is one of the key figures in this 736 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:13,040 case that I worked on for many years he 737 00:35:25,530 --> 00:35:20,690 was was a sad who was leaving from 738 00:35:28,570 --> 00:35:25,540 northern Wisconsin going to all close to 739 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:28,580 Lake Superior he was some ways off but 740 00:35:33,850 --> 00:35:31,850 yet not as as long as his trip actually 741 00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:33,860 end up taking it was a well a well 742 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:38,870 plotted in length and time as far as his 743 00:35:47,110 --> 00:35:42,530 journey this guy sees a triangular UFO 744 00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:47,120 UFO by the side of the road pulls over 745 00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:49,160 and watches this thing just sitting 746 00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:52,790 there next to a barn it was large it 747 00:35:58,300 --> 00:35:55,520 wasn't a massive one that was miles long 748 00:36:03,400 --> 00:35:58,310 but one that you know obviously very big 749 00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:03,410 hundreds of feet it had below the 750 00:36:11,860 --> 00:36:06,500 exterior on the bottom what would be 751 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:11,870 like I'm here to take a Oh a ping-pong 752 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:13,970 ball cut it in half and place it near 753 00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:16,490 each corner and have it swirling around 754 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:21,880 with self-luminous iridescent sir or 755 00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,330 obsolescence like like shampoo or 756 00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:28,720 something like that an herbal essence 757 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:31,790 yellowish white color but brilliant and 758 00:36:36,730 --> 00:36:34,010 he says that's what it looked like and 759 00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:36,740 that object sat there for some like the 760 00:36:41,890 --> 00:36:38,870 time he was you know it's just sat there 761 00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,900 he says easily could have spent ten 762 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:44,000 minutes then he jumped back and his 763 00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,710 current thing was still there 764 00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:47,599 you know he's just like wow he's trying 765 00:36:54,579 --> 00:36:51,460 to get as much observation he drew it 766 00:36:56,770 --> 00:36:54,589 you know he drew the object well it gets 767 00:36:59,290 --> 00:36:56,780 to his point of destination but it was 768 00:37:01,450 --> 00:36:59,300 some three hours later than it was not 769 00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:01,460 what normally have taken him his wife 770 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:02,830 had called over there 771 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:05,690 deathly afraid to sing what you know 772 00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:07,849 what would what the end result was why 773 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:11,030 he was missing but here all it was was a 774 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:14,089 loss of time now was there an encounter 775 00:37:21,790 --> 00:37:16,490 during that period of time maybe but 776 00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:21,800 three hours was lost so within a week or 777 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:25,550 two after this experience he lived in 778 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:26,570 Michigan at the time 779 00:37:31,780 --> 00:37:29,330 excuse me Minnesota at the time he he 780 00:37:33,310 --> 00:37:31,790 had a couple on and he had to do some 781 00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:33,320 other errands his wife had to do the 782 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:37,070 same and he's out there and he knew how 783 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:38,810 long it would take and the time element 784 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:40,490 what it came out to approximately three 785 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:42,910 hours do everything you need to do and 786 00:37:50,740 --> 00:37:45,890 he had everything done within a period 787 00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:50,750 of a half-hour so the wife and the both 788 00:37:55,150 --> 00:37:53,089 of them came together and they go wait a 789 00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:55,160 minute how can this be they looked at 790 00:37:59,140 --> 00:37:56,510 the time you know from the time they 791 00:38:01,570 --> 00:37:59,150 started and the Bothan finishing their 792 00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:01,580 chores and they knew how long it would 793 00:38:07,540 --> 00:38:05,599 have taken and know when it started and 794 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:07,550 they go now that just can't be 795 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:10,250 I'm sure enough that time that was 796 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:12,650 missing for him came back but this 797 00:38:20,589 --> 00:38:16,330 instance came back for both of them Wow 798 00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,599 another time a gentleman was actually a 799 00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:22,400 woman coming from Wyoming to visit her 800 00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:26,380 her elderly father in Dixon Illinois and 801 00:38:36,190 --> 00:38:30,440 traveling down i-88 which was at that 802 00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:36,200 time I 5 I believe and coming in she's 803 00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:38,830 on the road and she notices up ahead 804 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:43,640 some brilliant illuminations and she 805 00:38:48,609 --> 00:38:45,130 thought it was just some sort of tower 806 00:38:50,829 --> 00:38:48,619 as she's getting closer and closer what 807 00:38:52,660 --> 00:38:50,839 it what it is is not standing directly 808 00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:52,670 over the middle of the road but moved 809 00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:56,240 off to her right into a farm field and 810 00:39:02,079 --> 00:38:59,450 there was this unusual 811 00:39:05,049 --> 00:39:02,089 but you will fall with eliminations 812 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:05,059 underneath it and it was hovering 813 00:39:10,509 --> 00:39:08,089 directly over the ground she pulls over 814 00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:10,519 her children are just terrified a boy 815 00:39:17,859 --> 00:39:14,000 and a girl on the backseat terrified she 816 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:17,869 gets out and she's just staring at this 817 00:39:23,499 --> 00:39:20,690 and staring and she says there are cars 818 00:39:26,589 --> 00:39:23,509 going past me and it's like I'm in my 819 00:39:28,839 --> 00:39:26,599 own world nobody else is paying 820 00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:28,849 attention and not only are they not 821 00:39:33,549 --> 00:39:31,400 paying attention to the to the object in 822 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:33,559 the field they aren't paying attention 823 00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,130 to me I'm waving people and pointing to 824 00:39:43,059 --> 00:39:39,440 this and they're not paying attention to 825 00:39:45,329 --> 00:39:43,069 me as if I'm not even there Wow 826 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:45,339 like a dead ghost or something exactly 827 00:39:51,460 --> 00:39:48,170 they get back in the car she looks down 828 00:39:53,410 --> 00:39:51,470 as she takes off and she realizes the 829 00:39:56,259 --> 00:39:53,420 time she had spent out there was 830 00:39:59,370 --> 00:39:56,269 substantially more than the time that 831 00:40:01,900 --> 00:39:59,380 she actually knew she was out there she 832 00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:01,910 shows up at the father's house and says 833 00:40:04,839 --> 00:40:04,190 why are you the father says what took 834 00:40:06,579 --> 00:40:04,849 you so long 835 00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:06,589 you called me from this Junction 836 00:40:12,670 --> 00:40:09,230 wherever sheep she was last call and 837 00:40:14,650 --> 00:40:12,680 here you are here so much later than you 838 00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,660 normally would need she tells him what 839 00:40:18,849 --> 00:40:16,880 she saw and whatever but it wouldn't 840 00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:18,859 account for the large amount of time 841 00:40:25,329 --> 00:40:22,670 something around an hour and so she gets 842 00:40:27,069 --> 00:40:25,339 back to Wyoming the very next week very 843 00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,079 next week she gets to go back to work 844 00:40:33,819 --> 00:40:29,440 she kisses her husband the morning 845 00:40:36,789 --> 00:40:33,829 closed door and off she goes she gets to 846 00:40:40,059 --> 00:40:36,799 work and as always she calls him and as 847 00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:40,069 she states her point from the disc that 848 00:40:43,930 --> 00:40:41,900 you know the travel time is 849 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:43,940 approximately an hour from the house to 850 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:48,170 work she calls him up he grabs the phone 851 00:40:53,769 --> 00:40:52,250 and he says who is this you know and she 852 00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:53,779 says well it's me I'm here at work and 853 00:40:59,140 --> 00:40:56,329 she goes and says that is absolutely 854 00:41:00,670 --> 00:40:59,150 absolutely impossible you just kissed me 855 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:00,680 and I could still hear the door that it 856 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:07,490 slammed Wow that's freaky very freaky 857 00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:09,890 and we're supposed to save the freaky 858 00:41:17,709 --> 00:41:11,569 stuff for our - I would get 859 00:41:22,959 --> 00:41:17,719 better so there seems to be this effect 860 00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:22,969 of time-space by these encounters so and 861 00:41:29,229 --> 00:41:24,920 I don't think it's psychological because 862 00:41:33,609 --> 00:41:29,239 apparently it's recorded in safer 863 00:41:37,539 --> 00:41:33,619 instance even the the mechanics of a 864 00:41:41,189 --> 00:41:37,549 clock or a watch so there is some sort 865 00:41:46,449 --> 00:41:41,199 of recordable variance that even affects 866 00:41:51,099 --> 00:41:46,459 you know mechanisms the case of the UFO 867 00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:51,109 car case for Vail Johnson's case back in 868 00:41:58,829 --> 00:41:55,640 ease his car was hit by what was either 869 00:42:03,549 --> 00:41:58,839 an energy beam or actually some 870 00:42:07,299 --> 00:42:03,559 extension that was self-luminous from an 871 00:42:11,289 --> 00:42:07,309 object or whatever or even some sort of 872 00:42:14,739 --> 00:42:11,299 unusual natural phenomena that that may 873 00:42:20,130 --> 00:42:14,749 very well possess a similar type of 874 00:42:23,019 --> 00:42:20,140 energy and and what's a residual effect 875 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:23,029 it hit the car I'm not sure if are you 876 00:42:27,789 --> 00:42:25,249 aware of this case no unless it's the 877 00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:27,799 one in Australia no this is the one in 878 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:32,660 actually in Minnesota okay and police he 879 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:34,249 was a police officer he was actually in 880 00:42:38,109 --> 00:42:36,529 a dispatch to see what was going on out 881 00:42:40,089 --> 00:42:38,119 there people reporting some unusual 882 00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:40,099 things were it was a no I think was just 883 00:42:44,529 --> 00:42:42,680 a regular routine ride and he sees this 884 00:42:46,539 --> 00:42:44,539 object at a distance its illumination 885 00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:46,549 didn't know was an object into the state 886 00:42:50,799 --> 00:42:48,619 we don't know but we you know whatever 887 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:50,809 it has the properties to bend things and 888 00:42:59,999 --> 00:42:55,130 affect things so it's able to cause some 889 00:43:03,939 --> 00:43:00,009 damage this thing came right at him and 890 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:03,949 he says it felt like he was hit by a 200 891 00:43:13,569 --> 00:43:08,930 pound pillow he was knocked out he woke 892 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:13,579 up his eyes were were out of focus and 893 00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:17,690 painful he says it felt as if I had had 894 00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,940 welders flash and for those of you who 895 00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,400 ever encountered welders flesh it's very 896 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:23,760 painful 897 00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:28,890 just thinking of it now it hurts and 898 00:43:37,310 --> 00:43:33,150 then he says I had the car was sitting 899 00:43:40,610 --> 00:43:37,320 sideways the windshield was damaged but 900 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:40,620 it was it was damaged in it was if it 901 00:43:48,350 --> 00:43:43,410 was imploded like the energy pulled it 902 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:48,360 out and in simultaneously Ford I think 903 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:51,930 was Ford Motor Company a laboratory over 904 00:44:00,020 --> 00:43:54,330 there did he said there was at least 800 905 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:00,030 pages of final text on the series of 906 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:01,710 tests that they ran on it and other 907 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:04,770 groups then they said it's in part you 908 00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:07,650 could actually get the result in the 909 00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,960 laboratory but you have to do it 910 00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,700 independently and it would take at least 911 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:14,160 two processes not not at once and 912 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:17,010 instantaneously so whatever happened was 913 00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,050 was you know no doubt a phenomena and 914 00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,560 something they couldn't understand and 915 00:44:29,330 --> 00:44:26,880 the other thing is the physical 916 00:44:31,780 --> 00:44:29,340 effectiveness eyes were burned his face 917 00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:31,790 and he had as if it looked like a 918 00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:34,740 second-degree burn throughout his bat 919 00:44:41,290 --> 00:44:38,480 his face an exposed area he was red 920 00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:41,300 helmet reminds you of Close Encounters 921 00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,540 the enamel on his teeth or damage to 922 00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:50,640 happen I would think oh sure the animals 923 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:53,520 most probably one of the strongest parts 924 00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:56,130 yes our hardest parts of the body it's 925 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:00,180 the end with the enamel of teeth yes all 926 00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:02,730 these these cracks and you know hairline 927 00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:08,100 cracks the antenna which was on a spring 928 00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:10,200 - mechanism so when it would hit 929 00:45:14,330 --> 00:45:12,030 something out there in the you know 930 00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:14,340 Minnesota a lot of things besides deer 931 00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:17,700 birds and twigs you're going into areas 932 00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:20,190 you can lose an antenna once a week 933 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:22,830 you're going into some of these areas so 934 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:24,570 they have a spring and I think you've 935 00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:26,250 seen them at the bottom of spring 936 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:29,880 mechanism sort of bends so if anything 937 00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:33,210 would have hit it it would have bent it 938 00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,920 would have you know went to damage it 939 00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:36,900 well there was nearly 940 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:40,200 a 45-degree angle fan it was about 30s 941 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:42,570 38 degrees I forget the exact amount of 942 00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:46,130 degrees in the antenna itself 943 00:45:52,580 --> 00:45:48,750 the other interesting thing is the 944 00:45:57,590 --> 00:45:52,590 insect crust that was on the exterior of 945 00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:57,600 the the antenna words you know was just 946 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:01,680 caked up bug juice that Harden was 947 00:46:09,590 --> 00:46:04,770 actually molded around it as if it was 948 00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:09,600 superheated instead of cracked very 949 00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:14,040 unusual and then he looked at his watch 950 00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:18,000 and the watch and the clock in the car 951 00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,720 for exactly the same time off in other 952 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:24,240 words they were both the same but off I 953 00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:26,930 think was 15 minutes or 18 minutes I 954 00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:29,730 think was 18 minutes they both were 955 00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:32,700 precisely off 18 minutes in other words 956 00:46:37,220 --> 00:46:35,550 they were the same and he always kept a 957 00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:37,230 correct time that's the first thing he 958 00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:39,540 did he drove off in the morning was to 959 00:46:45,590 --> 00:46:41,700 check the time and had to correct in the 960 00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:45,600 car and on his watch before he went went 961 00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:52,200 on his patrol and this this is one of 962 00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:54,780 the best physical trace cases the car 963 00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,530 itself is in I forget is it Madison 964 00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:00,960 County Fairgrounds 965 00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:03,510 is that okay I think I know of this case 966 00:47:09,970 --> 00:47:07,440 now it took a while but yes I think this 967 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:09,980 was actually investigated on a show on a 968 00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:13,410 couple of them yeah but I think I have 969 00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:17,400 the only video interview with Phil 970 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:20,760 Johnson I think I'm the only person who 971 00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,610 has a video interview with him now is 972 00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:25,440 that online where anybody can see it 973 00:47:32,330 --> 00:47:28,500 no in fact hopefully I'm going to get 974 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:32,340 approval after I added it to get a right 975 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:35,730 to release it in along with volumes of 976 00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:37,410 things that I've accumulated in the last 977 00:47:45,790 --> 00:47:42,990 20 years so and when I do that I'll make 978 00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:45,800 sure to tell premiers some of the 979 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:48,630 excerpts from it on your show okay 980 00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:52,530 oh yeah oh yeah love that so let's see 981 00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:54,750 we have we have about ten minutes left 982 00:47:58,580 --> 00:47:56,700 and I wanted to talk about a couple of 983 00:48:04,070 --> 00:47:58,590 cases um you know we've talked about 984 00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:04,080 Tinley Park and oftentimes the the 985 00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:07,740 O'Hare sighting comes up but let's talk 986 00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:09,510 about some of the obscure ones I was 987 00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:13,070 looking in some of the top Illinois 988 00:48:17,570 --> 00:48:15,780 encounters over the years and how about 989 00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:17,580 the Franklin Park sighting are you 990 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:18,780 familiar with that one 991 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:21,810 I think dr. ah Tiger worked on that one 992 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:23,970 I didn't work on it all okay 993 00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:26,490 well that one's basically there was a 994 00:48:32,540 --> 00:48:29,310 Boy Scouts and they saw you know 995 00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:32,550 metallic pulsing saucer about 20 feet in 996 00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:34,590 diameter that was interesting so what 997 00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:36,870 are some of the other ones that you have 998 00:48:42,590 --> 00:48:40,560 worked on besides a Rockford didn't you 999 00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:42,600 work on that yes the Rockford mass 1000 00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:44,790 sighting and that was a mass sighting 1001 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:48,720 and I think there was hundreds of people 1002 00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:50,370 that saw it was the orange orbs or 1003 00:48:57,740 --> 00:48:53,220 something like that right it was seen 1004 00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:57,750 well what it was there was a mass 1005 00:49:07,660 --> 00:48:59,880 sighting started actually on New Year's 1006 00:49:12,590 --> 00:49:10,580 2000 millennium concern all the 1007 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:12,600 computers going down and everything 1008 00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:20,850 going haywire and stashed away somewhere 1009 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:22,830 from that don't you know but you know 1010 00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:24,690 what I you know I don't want to get way 1011 00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:27,990 off topic but I knew a guy that bought a 1012 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:31,380 250 gallon oil tank put diesel in it got 1013 00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:34,050 the generator he was he had machine guns 1014 00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:37,830 oh my god was he he was pretty scary and 1015 00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,140 then like two weeks later he dropped out 1016 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:43,440 of a heart attack didn't really help him 1017 00:49:51,610 --> 00:49:45,450 too much I think it was just an excuse 1018 00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:54,620 honey this is a good reason I really got 1019 00:50:01,920 --> 00:49:57,510 to get this now you know okay I'll just 1020 00:50:04,099 --> 00:50:01,930 get the darn thing like tons 1021 00:50:07,290 --> 00:50:04,109 tons of food was buying food for a year 1022 00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:07,300 and oh I could see that a lot of people 1023 00:50:12,089 --> 00:50:10,300 did that yeah yeah crazy huh yeah my 1024 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:12,099 brother did too in fact what do you 1025 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:14,170 think we mentioned it he was he was 1026 00:50:20,819 --> 00:50:17,170 looking at the the rations that he had 1027 00:50:25,290 --> 00:50:20,829 stored away those pretty good they go I 1028 00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:25,300 don't know oh you mean he still has him 1029 00:50:29,549 --> 00:50:27,849 yeah I forgot the shelf-life on some of 1030 00:50:33,180 --> 00:50:29,559 this stuff was was pretty good it 1031 00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,190 he had a great day he's really good at 1032 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:35,680 keeping things organized that way me I 1033 00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:39,010 tell you anything anything chaotic comes 1034 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:45,280 along I guess I'm screwed you know I'm 1035 00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:50,410 the first one to go I know the the place 1036 00:50:57,210 --> 00:50:54,609 I own up on the mountain area the people 1037 00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:57,220 were absolutely paranoid as well and 1038 00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:00,640 there's a bomb shelter there's a fire 1039 00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,000 system with the a water tower I mean you 1040 00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:06,160 know and the indoor pool was hooked into 1041 00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:08,140 it I mean they were just they were ready 1042 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:19,170 just play crazy like that for a week and 1043 00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:22,690 have a party well there was tornado 1044 00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:25,660 warnings last summer and I went down 1045 00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:27,190 into the bomb shelter so that was kind 1046 00:51:31,289 --> 00:51:29,230 of cool to have actually oh yeah well 1047 00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,299 out here we have tornado warnings you do 1048 00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,520 want to go low because they do hit I 1049 00:51:36,539 --> 00:51:35,440 don't know how many tornadoes you get 1050 00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:36,549 out in your neck of the woods but we've 1051 00:51:43,859 --> 00:51:39,910 rare out here it's like Tornado Alley we 1052 00:51:48,510 --> 00:51:43,869 were shooting invasion Illinois and I 1053 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:48,520 had secured a property for us to shoot 1054 00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:51,250 it in fact of gentleman's a county 1055 00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:54,990 police officer a sergeant and that owned 1056 00:52:03,450 --> 00:52:01,359 property so we got out there and most 1057 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:03,460 his guys are from the you know eath 1058 00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:05,490 Coast and West Coast and they've never 1059 00:52:10,770 --> 00:52:08,319 never seen anything like tornadoes and 1060 00:52:13,819 --> 00:52:10,780 he had like three of them that evening 1061 00:52:22,249 --> 00:52:13,829 they were just shook and by 1062 00:52:24,140 --> 00:52:22,259 you know just like Wow Sam just remember 1063 00:52:25,759 --> 00:52:24,150 the sound guy putting on the you know 1064 00:52:27,529 --> 00:52:25,769 here he's listening to get make sure the 1065 00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:27,539 audio is correct and it's got the mics 1066 00:52:33,799 --> 00:52:30,420 all of a sudden this crack of lightning 1067 00:52:36,099 --> 00:52:33,809 goes right outside just you know a 1068 00:52:40,819 --> 00:52:36,109 couple hundred feet away and 1069 00:52:43,009 --> 00:52:40,829 instantaneous thunder throughout the the 1070 00:52:46,099 --> 00:52:43,019 pole barn that we were in this poor guy 1071 00:52:58,459 --> 00:52:46,109 those took the cans on his head just 1072 00:53:01,880 --> 00:52:58,469 popped right off so tell me about that 1073 00:53:04,819 --> 00:53:01,890 was that a series or was that a one time 1074 00:53:07,099 --> 00:53:04,829 documentary or what or that was the 1075 00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:07,109 first episode in fact you'll see it if 1076 00:53:12,459 --> 00:53:09,059 you ever watch the repeats on the 1077 00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,469 History Channel of UFO Hunters that was 1078 00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:16,079 2001 available right yeah I worked on 1079 00:53:22,819 --> 00:53:19,920 five episodes as a consultant but the 1080 00:53:25,459 --> 00:53:22,829 ones that I actually had a chance cameo 1081 00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:25,469 and of course for the ones that I I was 1082 00:53:29,689 --> 00:53:27,630 actually involved on an investigative 1083 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:29,699 researcher and that would be Tinley Park 1084 00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:32,130 and that's invasion Illinois aliens at 1085 00:53:40,989 --> 00:53:35,640 the airport that was the old hair case 1086 00:53:44,059 --> 00:53:40,999 in conjunction with other UFO cases at 1087 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:44,069 airports and related to aviation and 1088 00:53:48,739 --> 00:53:45,569 that was good that was very good episode 1089 00:53:51,859 --> 00:53:48,749 that you know the funny thing is it was 1090 00:53:53,689 --> 00:53:51,869 a great show it was starting to lose I 1091 00:53:57,739 --> 00:53:53,699 could see it and you know in the end it 1092 00:53:59,959 --> 00:53:57,749 was starting to lose its appeal and they 1093 00:54:02,180 --> 00:53:59,969 already I think working on a ancient 1094 00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:02,190 aliens they had that maybe even he had 1095 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:04,440 the pilot and the can I don't know there 1096 00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:05,770 may have been 1097 00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:08,140 had that you know and the other thing is 1098 00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:12,510 consider what took the time slot was 1099 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:17,440 Pawn Stars my god that is one of the 1100 00:54:22,890 --> 00:54:20,730 best shows on television period I mean 1101 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:22,900 what are we going into our seventh 1102 00:54:26,850 --> 00:54:25,210 season on that one my god I wish I was 1103 00:54:29,550 --> 00:54:26,860 involved in that yeah 1104 00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:29,560 that's rigged by the way it's rigged 1105 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:31,660 that's right yeah I mean I have inside 1106 00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:34,170 news on that that's a whole nother story 1107 00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:37,120 I don't want to get too off talked about 1108 00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:39,310 that but it's uh yeah I'm assuming they 1109 00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:41,620 have to because people with that with 1110 00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,510 that much interesting stuff just don't 1111 00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:45,760 make their way into pawn shops in one 1112 00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:47,740 way after another first for an episode 1113 00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:49,630 you have to sit around all day 1114 00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,150 yeah and that's costly yeah ya know 1115 00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:54,160 there's some time off here I'll tell you 1116 00:54:58,740 --> 00:54:56,950 that funny story about a specialist they 1117 00:55:01,170 --> 00:54:58,750 thought that I know that they hired and 1118 00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:01,180 they talked verbatim exactly like the 1119 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:03,420 words she wrote it was pretty funny 1120 00:55:07,830 --> 00:55:05,890 let's see we got about five minutes left 1121 00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,840 and I want you to tell us a little bit 1122 00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,760 about the Rockford sighting you know 1123 00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:11,440 some details on that but detail about 1124 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:13,720 the Rockford sighting you know and this 1125 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:17,170 is a very significant mass sighting one 1126 00:55:22,650 --> 00:55:19,090 that just fell off the face of the earth 1127 00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:22,660 and it all ties in with the southern 1128 00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:25,900 illinois sighting which ties into the 1129 00:55:31,350 --> 00:55:28,900 rock the Tinley Park sighting these 1130 00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,360 objects that were seen may very well 1131 00:55:37,350 --> 00:55:34,000 have been the large triangular objects 1132 00:55:43,110 --> 00:55:37,360 the same but this happened in like I 1133 00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:43,120 said going into 2010 you airy 4th and 1134 00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:45,250 January 5th of that year was the 1135 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:47,920 sightings down in in southern Illinois 1136 00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:50,410 that got all the attention simply 1137 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:53,320 because of it was being you know being 1138 00:55:59,790 --> 00:55:55,890 followed and reported by police officers 1139 00:56:02,460 --> 00:55:59,800 strange thing enough strangely enough up 1140 00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:02,470 in Rockford we had not just hundreds of 1141 00:56:06,380 --> 00:56:04,230 witnesses but thousands of witnesses 1142 00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:06,390 unmultiplied 1143 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:11,590 there was as many as 13 nights of nia 1144 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:13,930 sightings nine of which that we feel 1145 00:56:17,950 --> 00:56:16,410 have merit and at least five of those 1146 00:56:20,260 --> 00:56:17,960 genuine 1147 00:56:23,290 --> 00:56:20,270 there were photographs taken these 1148 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:23,300 photographs are relatively similar to 1149 00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:27,490 other crafts that have been recorded and 1150 00:56:35,950 --> 00:56:33,260 there is videotape again you have these 1151 00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:35,960 illuminations in the sky you have orange 1152 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:41,359 orbs and they're not conventional 1153 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:45,890 aircraft the other thing was during this 1154 00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:49,130 sighting we had other sightings going on 1155 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:53,030 in the Midwest out in the Quad Cities 1156 00:57:00,849 --> 00:56:56,570 and all over the world even on the 1157 00:57:03,250 --> 00:57:00,859 island of man so that night was pretty 1158 00:57:06,310 --> 00:57:03,260 active all over the world what the neck 1159 00:57:09,370 --> 00:57:06,320 was going on I have no idea but 1160 00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:09,380 apparently maybe they got the bug too 1161 00:57:13,329 --> 00:57:11,390 like oh no our computers are going to go 1162 00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:13,339 down we're going to crash I don't know 1163 00:57:21,130 --> 00:57:17,440 either way things were going on that 1164 00:57:23,980 --> 00:57:21,140 could not be accountable as conventional 1165 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:23,990 or Chinese lanterns or flares on 1166 00:57:28,089 --> 00:57:26,570 balloons all that malarkey though I 1167 00:57:32,109 --> 00:57:28,099 think at least three of those were 1168 00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:32,119 hoaxes later on but you know during the 1169 00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:35,200 attorney that whole episode we had a 1170 00:57:41,980 --> 00:57:38,960 meeting you know had orders I think was 1171 00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:41,990 Borders bookstore we had a tea some 1172 00:57:46,060 --> 00:57:43,700 people show up the press was there and 1173 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:46,070 people were it got to the point we 1174 00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:48,170 couldn't even get enough people good 1175 00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:49,609 enough accommodate the people that were 1176 00:57:54,010 --> 00:57:52,640 there it was just crazy and when they 1177 00:57:56,260 --> 00:57:54,020 were there people were telling us 1178 00:57:57,730 --> 00:57:56,270 stories of accounts that they had 1179 00:58:00,550 --> 00:57:57,740 nothing to do with this 1180 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:00,560 how four years they had sightings out 1181 00:58:07,060 --> 00:58:04,250 there and little did I know that those 1182 00:58:10,060 --> 00:58:07,070 days the history of UFO sightings on the 1183 00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:10,070 borderline area in the Rockford area 1184 00:58:18,070 --> 00:58:14,270 Rockdale at all this area they go way 1185 00:58:21,970 --> 00:58:18,080 back they go back well before 1947 1186 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:21,980 though 1947 was a peak year too but some 1187 00:58:26,140 --> 00:58:24,050 farmers were these favorite farmers in 1188 00:58:29,860 --> 00:58:26,150 their 80s were telling us of accounts 1189 00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:29,870 that they seen things in there 1190 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:32,240 and in their fields and they know about 1191 00:58:36,550 --> 00:58:34,250 their parents talking about things 1192 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:36,560 landing in the fields and and flying 1193 00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:40,010 around or UFOs flying saucers whatever 1194 00:58:47,020 --> 00:58:44,030 you want to call them so this was a hot 1195 00:58:51,820 --> 00:58:47,030 area that's ignored by most people 1196 00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:51,830 because of course it's Illinois and if 1197 00:58:58,210 --> 00:58:54,740 you're within you know a mile or two of 1198 00:59:00,010 --> 00:58:58,220 a farm and fleet or some farm implements 1199 00:59:02,740 --> 00:59:00,020 store of course you know you're just 1200 00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:02,750 wacky that's the attitude some of these 1201 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:05,920 people take and what I find interesting 1202 00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:08,570 similar events took place of course and 1203 00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:11,900 Jersey soon thereafter in Newark in July 1204 00:59:17,170 --> 00:59:15,710 and the Carteret sightings you may have 1205 00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,180 seen the man heard about the mass 1206 00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:20,000 sightings Colette got a rat this is the 1207 00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:25,310 same thing yet that got Creedence this 1208 00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:28,160 didn't get as much but yet further south 1209 00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:31,520 and the police officer saw him you know 1210 00:59:35,590 --> 00:59:33,470 just a day later or four days of it 1211 00:59:37,870 --> 00:59:35,600 later it became big news and of course 1212 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:37,880 Discovery Channel did a special on it 1213 00:59:42,190 --> 00:59:40,130 Darrell Barker did that did a very good 1214 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:42,200 documentary and still does finding more 1215 00:59:47,650 --> 00:59:45,410 witnesses to this case down there in 1216 00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:47,660 southern Illinois Wow 1217 00:59:53,350 --> 00:59:49,910 all right well sample that's the first 1218 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:53,360 hour so again we're going into the kind 1219 00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,490 of the freaky weird stuff an hour two 1220 00:59:59,530 --> 00:59:57,440 and why don't you say goodbye to the 1221 01:00:03,490 --> 00:59:59,540 hour when listeners if you would well 1222 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:03,500 our listeners tell you what by your next 1223 01:00:07,870 --> 01:00:05,090 hour because it's be well worth it and 1224 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:07,880 thank you for listening either way thank 1225 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:10,730 you Sam alright so we're just going to 1226 01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:12,730 take a quick little music break and 1227 01:00:43,650 --> 01:00:41,010 all right we're here in our to with Sam 1228 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:43,660 moranto if you're listening live you can 1229 01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:45,250 jump into the chatroom I'm not real 1230 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:46,720 active on the chatroom today I'm having 1231 01:00:51,930 --> 01:00:48,610 a little trouble with that particular 1232 01:00:54,060 --> 01:00:51,940 computer staying online so but anyway 1233 01:00:55,950 --> 01:00:54,070 you I will check back on the chatroom if 1234 01:00:58,380 --> 01:00:55,960 you're in there you can certainly send a 1235 01:01:02,120 --> 01:00:58,390 message out all right 1236 01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:02,130 so Sam we were talking about basically 1237 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:06,070 you know UFO encounters in Illinois 1238 01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:08,650 which to me is is kind of fascinating 1239 01:01:14,970 --> 01:01:11,470 and I I wanted to to just address 1240 01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,980 something you just said you're saying 1241 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:17,440 that you know like the farm or anyone 1242 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:20,050 near a silo whatever isn't really taken 1243 01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:20,650 seriously 1244 01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,350 to me in my experience farmers are one 1245 01:01:32,850 --> 01:01:28,960 of the least ones that would come up 1246 01:01:36,090 --> 01:01:32,860 with a bizarre story like that and and 1247 01:01:37,830 --> 01:01:36,100 for good reason they are they already 1248 01:01:40,850 --> 01:01:37,840 walked there are walking around with a 1249 01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:40,860 stigma on them and yet we are the 1250 01:01:47,370 --> 01:01:44,910 recipients of their produce we eat it I 1251 01:01:50,220 --> 01:01:47,380 find that unusual it's like complaining 1252 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:50,230 about the or you know down you know 1253 01:01:54,810 --> 01:01:53,050 giving grief to the waiter or I would 1254 01:01:58,110 --> 01:01:54,820 never give wait a waiter any grief 1255 01:02:00,420 --> 01:01:58,120 they're handling my food or yeah it's 1256 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:00,430 just the wrong to do if you could do it 1257 01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:02,770 do it after you leave or you're about to 1258 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:04,660 walk out the door and expect to never 1259 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:06,090 come back again 1260 01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,010 the these are some of the most 1261 01:02:15,870 --> 01:02:11,680 intelligent people I've ever met you 1262 01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:15,880 know are the farmers out here they first 1263 01:02:21,210 --> 01:02:17,830 of all to be a farmer today you have to 1264 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:21,220 use in some pretty scientific methods 1265 01:02:27,140 --> 01:02:24,730 and and these are people that survived 1266 01:02:30,310 --> 01:02:27,150 and made their way in the 1267 01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:30,320 old-timers these are not idiots and 1268 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:34,020 there they think twice about mentioning 1269 01:02:38,830 --> 01:02:35,730 things so I see a lot of things and 1270 01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:38,840 they're very guarded on who they talk to 1271 01:02:43,930 --> 01:02:41,760 as you know in this field the most 1272 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:43,940 important thing is to get some degree of 1273 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:46,890 acquaintance and Trust it's important if 1274 01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:48,930 you can't get beyond that you're never 1275 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:51,660 gonna get people to open up to you and 1276 01:02:55,700 --> 01:02:54,090 the other thing you'll find out is when 1277 01:02:59,210 --> 01:02:55,710 you'd start working on a case especially 1278 01:03:02,060 --> 01:02:59,220 a mass sighting people reveal 1279 01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:02,070 information only to the gree that they 1280 01:03:08,570 --> 01:03:05,520 feel you need that information or worthy 1281 01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:08,580 of it or it won't harm them so what I 1282 01:03:16,220 --> 01:03:12,720 find over time is people will give more 1283 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:16,230 information as you gain a closer 1284 01:03:20,450 --> 01:03:18,450 relationship with them or they feel 1285 01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:20,460 comfortable in their guards down or 1286 01:03:24,530 --> 01:03:21,960 maybe in the case and this is the 1287 01:03:27,050 --> 01:03:24,540 benefit of Emmaus sighting is that so 1288 01:03:28,610 --> 01:03:27,060 many people seeing something that first 1289 01:03:30,830 --> 01:03:28,620 of all they're gonna agree to the fact 1290 01:03:33,170 --> 01:03:30,840 that they seen something but they may 1291 01:03:35,630 --> 01:03:33,180 qualify it differently and that's fine 1292 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:35,640 but as time progresses if they've 1293 01:03:39,770 --> 01:03:38,130 experienced something else they may pull 1294 01:03:42,140 --> 01:03:39,780 you aside once they're comfortable with 1295 01:03:48,340 --> 01:03:42,150 you and tell you about what they really 1296 01:03:50,180 --> 01:03:48,350 saw and that's where it does get freaky 1297 01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:50,190 promise we're gonna be talking about 1298 01:03:56,090 --> 01:03:52,950 freaky oh yes yes we did promise and I 1299 01:03:57,860 --> 01:03:56,100 think will fulfill that the Tinley Park 1300 01:03:59,480 --> 01:03:57,870 sightings oh it seems like something you 1301 01:04:04,580 --> 01:03:59,490 know just like three lights in the sky 1302 01:04:09,170 --> 01:04:04,590 and I recall doing the Dateline NBC 1303 01:04:14,090 --> 01:04:09,180 there's special on the ten best you know 1304 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:14,100 UFO count encounters and and I remember 1305 01:04:27,290 --> 01:04:23,690 sitting there for I don't know how long 1306 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:27,300 in the hot seat and like nerdy nerdy was 1307 01:04:33,380 --> 01:04:30,930 the producer asking all these questions 1308 01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:33,390 and questions and questions and each 1309 01:04:37,590 --> 01:04:35,160 question seemed to get closer and closer 1310 01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,600 to what they really wanted to hear 1311 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:39,520 wanted to hear me say Extra Terrestrial 1312 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:44,290 I don't use the e word much as you know 1313 01:04:49,410 --> 01:04:47,770 and and I don't like to qualify 1314 01:04:54,210 --> 01:04:49,420 something when it's under investigation 1315 01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:54,220 and and I can tell you what it isn't but 1316 01:05:00,780 --> 01:04:57,900 I don't want to throw you no definitive 1317 01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:00,790 anything unless I know for certain what 1318 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:05,440 it is and I could tell you the the case 1319 01:05:12,750 --> 01:05:09,610 itself after all these years looking at 1320 01:05:14,970 --> 01:05:12,760 it reviewing it I think when the most 1321 01:05:19,530 --> 01:05:14,980 telling aspects of it is the feedback 1322 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:19,540 from the social response be it the let's 1323 01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:23,410 say the officials or how the media when 1324 01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:25,150 they grab it how they spin it right away 1325 01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:28,480 or the repercussions I get and I've 1326 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:32,640 gotten some truly negative repercussions 1327 01:05:40,350 --> 01:05:36,570 and I can't put my finger on what 1328 01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:40,360 individuals agencies or crackpots or a 1329 01:05:45,030 --> 01:05:42,940 combination thereof a responsible for 1330 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:45,040 some of these things but all I can tell 1331 01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:48,330 you is when I get into this subject 1332 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:51,910 publicly out here in the area it is not 1333 01:05:57,210 --> 01:05:55,210 well received I mean it's well received 1334 01:06:01,320 --> 01:05:57,220 by the individuals but it's not well 1335 01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:01,330 received by certain again crack bats 1336 01:06:07,740 --> 01:06:05,920 individuals or groups the agencies or 1337 01:06:09,540 --> 01:06:07,750 whatever mm-hmm there are always 1338 01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:09,550 repercussions but I'm going to tell you 1339 01:06:13,530 --> 01:06:11,050 some of the freaky that happened with 1340 01:06:19,740 --> 01:06:13,540 the Tinley Park case again I think I 1341 01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:19,750 alluded to the the walkie talkie that 1342 01:06:26,340 --> 01:06:23,710 was kind of odd I don't recall that was 1343 01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:26,350 that something nothing no this evening 1344 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:29,200 yeah was the not the walkie-talkie but 1345 01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:33,450 the they were all the radio 1346 01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:35,320 communications and the next telephones 1347 01:06:42,530 --> 01:06:40,060 oh yes okay now the second sighting no 1348 01:06:46,410 --> 01:06:42,540 what happened Martin was that these 1349 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:46,420 radio communications didn't work when 1350 01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:49,450 when the object was near 1351 01:06:56,190 --> 01:06:55,150 and on the 31st here at Halloween people 1352 01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:56,200 are going about doing many different 1353 01:07:00,620 --> 01:06:57,730 things of course doing all sorts of 1354 01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:00,630 stuff there's two girls in particular 1355 01:07:06,750 --> 01:07:03,910 went to the show and they were the ones 1356 01:07:09,030 --> 01:07:06,760 that also had experienced the next 1357 01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,040 iPhones not working they left the show 1358 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:11,680 went outside got in the car and they 1359 01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:13,930 tried calling their husbands using the 1360 01:07:19,470 --> 01:07:17,440 in the Nextel radio films you know the 1361 01:07:21,150 --> 01:07:19,480 communication and they didn't work and 1362 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:21,160 what came out of their mouths was is 1363 01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:23,530 would it be funny if the UFO was here 1364 01:07:28,859 --> 01:07:26,950 again little do they know yes it was and 1365 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:28,869 they didn't get a chance to see what 1366 01:07:36,450 --> 01:07:33,490 until they got home but it was just how 1367 01:07:39,630 --> 01:07:36,460 odd is that well it gets even odder 1368 01:07:42,690 --> 01:07:39,640 still on the 31st that Halloween 1369 01:07:45,380 --> 01:07:42,700 sighting people were seeing him a myriad 1370 01:07:48,809 --> 01:07:45,390 of objects it wasn't just the one 1371 01:07:51,780 --> 01:07:48,819 triangular you know formation of three 1372 01:07:54,780 --> 01:07:51,790 red illuminations in the sky they were 1373 01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:54,790 seeing objects coming in and out they 1374 01:08:04,230 --> 01:07:59,200 were seeing the large orange orbs one 1375 01:08:06,750 --> 01:08:04,240 gentleman was talking to his son-in-law 1376 01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:06,760 on the other side of town five miles 1377 01:08:12,299 --> 01:08:10,630 away and he's telling him he's calling 1378 01:08:13,770 --> 01:08:12,309 MUP he says you know it's oh yeah it's 1379 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:13,780 directly over the net I could see it 1380 01:08:18,930 --> 01:08:16,210 rigo's know it is and it's right here I 1381 01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:18,940 could see it it's right here what he was 1382 01:08:24,990 --> 01:08:22,630 seeing was the large orange forbs and I 1383 01:08:27,090 --> 01:08:25,000 don't know why or what purpose but they 1384 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:27,100 seem to be associated with these large 1385 01:08:33,630 --> 01:08:29,890 triangular craft they come in and out 1386 01:08:37,140 --> 01:08:33,640 attach detach whatever this thing came 1387 01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:37,150 down towards the house him and his wife 1388 01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,089 ran outside had the camera and they're 1389 01:08:44,340 --> 01:08:42,400 trying to take pictures with this time 1390 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:44,350 and time again when these things come 1391 01:08:50,669 --> 01:08:48,130 close electronics don't work certain 1392 01:08:53,059 --> 01:08:50,679 mechanical things will not work and of 1393 01:08:55,620 --> 01:08:53,069 course there's distortion of time-space 1394 01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:55,630 this thing gets closer to him and as he 1395 01:08:59,760 --> 01:08:57,310 described that this man came right up to 1396 01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,770 my face with an inch is screaming he 1397 01:09:04,990 --> 01:09:01,040 says Sam 1398 01:09:09,370 --> 01:09:05,000 this thing was as big as my house as big 1399 01:09:11,380 --> 01:09:09,380 as my house his wife was standing there 1400 01:09:13,780 --> 01:09:11,390 shaking his shaking her head yes this 1401 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:13,790 thing was massive and he says you know 1402 01:09:18,849 --> 01:09:16,250 what else our camera didn't work and 1403 01:09:21,490 --> 01:09:18,859 then we went inside the house we were 1404 01:09:24,329 --> 01:09:21,500 looking for one of our dogs the smaller 1405 01:09:27,700 --> 01:09:24,339 dog and that dog was nowhere to be seen 1406 01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:27,710 they have a two-level home and you were 1407 01:09:33,789 --> 01:09:30,080 able to see the hallway 1408 01:09:35,260 --> 01:09:33,799 from one vantage point in the foyer when 1409 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:35,270 they walked back to the floor 1410 01:09:39,970 --> 01:09:37,130 because they're looking all over they 1411 01:09:43,090 --> 01:09:39,980 were upstairs they looked under all the 1412 01:09:45,970 --> 01:09:43,100 beds and every place imaginable calmed 1413 01:09:46,930 --> 01:09:45,980 the dog they went downstairs they joined 1414 01:09:49,870 --> 01:09:46,940 together and they've turned around 1415 01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:49,880 looked standing in the middle of the 1416 01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:53,210 hall was this dog just shivering just 1417 01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:56,270 shivering they went up there and grabbed 1418 01:10:03,580 --> 01:09:57,920 the dog to see what was wrong with it 1419 01:10:09,580 --> 01:10:03,590 and it was like frozen completely so 1420 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:09,590 cold it was cold to the touch and they 1421 01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:11,090 says we couldn't figure out what 1422 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:16,790 happened to it to be this cold I was 1423 01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:18,290 working on this case is working on 1424 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:21,110 another case out in Arizona and this 1425 01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:24,410 gentleman he had a dog - funny thing was 1426 01:10:29,530 --> 01:10:26,600 she always said dog was afraid of the 1427 01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,540 objects things that were blooming about 1428 01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:31,280 the house and part of his own research 1429 01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:33,920 it was a very good researcher can I 1430 01:10:40,420 --> 01:10:37,310 interrupt you for a second sure I was 1431 01:10:43,810 --> 01:10:40,430 unaware that you did any investigations 1432 01:10:47,740 --> 01:10:43,820 and in other areas so you actually do in 1433 01:10:50,140 --> 01:10:47,750 different states sure yeah so now why am 1434 01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,150 I thinking that you only did Illinois 1435 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:52,640 because it's all I move on and I'm the 1436 01:10:57,580 --> 01:10:55,850 state director but just considered you 1437 01:11:00,670 --> 01:10:57,590 know I I started doing this a long time 1438 01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:00,680 ago so do other research other places 1439 01:11:09,299 --> 01:11:05,960 okay that's fine now I've worked on 1440 01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,309 cases in other places 1441 01:11:15,009 --> 01:11:12,320 there's enough going on right here that 1442 01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:15,019 didn't have to but it it all dovetailed 1443 01:11:19,870 --> 01:11:17,690 into other some of the research was 1444 01:11:25,569 --> 01:11:19,880 going on at the same time this was all 1445 01:11:28,450 --> 01:11:25,579 in 2004 the year the weird so I was 1446 01:11:32,020 --> 01:11:28,460 trying I was at the time I was looking 1447 01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:32,030 to see if by chance I was working on an 1448 01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:36,440 idea i premise that is there a reason 1449 01:11:42,839 --> 01:11:39,860 why there seems to be more activity in 1450 01:11:46,089 --> 01:11:42,849 certain areas again that there's been 1451 01:11:48,569 --> 01:11:46,099 books written papers written on I'm 1452 01:11:52,169 --> 01:11:48,579 trying to find a common denominator for 1453 01:11:55,209 --> 01:11:52,179 areas that have higher incidence of 1454 01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:55,219 activity not so much sightings per se 1455 01:12:03,520 --> 01:11:58,480 but genuine activity well documented 1456 01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:03,530 recorded activity and I was thinking 1457 01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:07,190 geology is there a higher concentration 1458 01:12:11,169 --> 01:12:09,440 of quartz and stuff like that so in 1459 01:12:13,509 --> 01:12:11,179 other words part of what I was doing 1460 01:12:17,470 --> 01:12:13,519 yeah yeah I was concerned I was I was 1461 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:17,480 looking to see if there's trying to find 1462 01:12:24,459 --> 01:12:21,530 some sort of pattern that may be related 1463 01:12:26,979 --> 01:12:24,469 to a substrate in other words let's say 1464 01:12:33,370 --> 01:12:26,989 you have an area that's more conducive 1465 01:12:37,140 --> 01:12:33,380 for a phenomena to be witnessed us you 1466 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:37,150 know by our senses because of the 1467 01:12:42,189 --> 01:12:39,650 substrate because of the DIAC geology 1468 01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:42,199 quartz or whatever in other words you're 1469 01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:45,199 something else they're making it making 1470 01:12:51,729 --> 01:12:49,489 it more making it easier for our senses 1471 01:12:55,660 --> 01:12:51,739 to perceive it does that make sense 1472 01:12:57,580 --> 01:12:55,670 mm-hmm so that's an it's still a promise 1473 01:12:59,649 --> 01:12:57,590 you know it's still something that I'd 1474 01:13:03,790 --> 01:12:59,659 like to finish working on it I don't 1475 01:13:06,669 --> 01:13:03,800 know if it's valid but it may be you 1476 01:13:11,529 --> 01:13:06,679 know in some instances we know how areas 1477 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:11,539 of ports of course seem to have some 1478 01:13:16,629 --> 01:13:14,570 other properties to it and it was 1479 01:13:18,189 --> 01:13:16,639 reports itself so I was thinking well 1480 01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:18,199 maybe that's the case higher incidents 1481 01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:24,680 and it seems to be the case you know it 1482 01:13:29,570 --> 01:13:26,490 could be just by chance or coincidence 1483 01:13:32,990 --> 01:13:29,580 that the case up in Wisconsin is much 1484 01:13:35,540 --> 01:13:33,000 like the with the fenomena very similar 1485 01:13:37,690 --> 01:13:35,550 to skin the skinwalker ranch which I 1486 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:37,700 think a lot of people people know the 1487 01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,410 skinwalker story I think you need some 1488 01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,960 people on talking about that 1489 01:13:47,570 --> 01:13:45,120 yeah I've talked about it or nothing and 1490 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:47,580 have tried to get George Knapp on he 1491 01:13:53,150 --> 01:13:50,010 almost was on one time but I couldn't 1492 01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:53,160 quite make it for a schedule but yeah 1493 01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,110 that is an interesting really 1494 01:14:00,110 --> 01:13:57,600 interesting case it's a great case you 1495 01:14:03,140 --> 01:14:00,120 know here's a location and and the funny 1496 01:14:06,710 --> 01:14:03,150 thing is but you know in 2007 we were 1497 01:14:08,060 --> 01:14:06,720 both speaking at the MUFON symposium 1498 01:14:10,340 --> 01:14:08,070 there was last time I was out doing 1499 01:14:14,060 --> 01:14:10,350 anything a couple times after I did a 1500 01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:14,070 few things but I told my says what 1501 01:14:16,220 --> 01:14:15,600 you're talking about we actually have on 1502 01:14:18,860 --> 01:14:16,230 video 1503 01:14:23,810 --> 01:14:18,870 goes what I go yeah you're talking about 1504 01:14:26,210 --> 01:14:23,820 the the creature or whatever thing is 1505 01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:26,220 moving about looking like predator I've 1506 01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:28,490 actually seen that on video because my 1507 01:14:35,630 --> 01:14:32,580 witness or the subject of the over the 1508 01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,640 investigation one of the subjects being 1509 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:38,400 the person himself actually took video 1510 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:42,690 of this and so when you hear things 1511 01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:46,170 about predator looking things oh no it's 1512 01:14:53,950 --> 01:14:49,590 actually recorded and I remember 1513 01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:53,960 reviewing some twelve hours of footage 1514 01:15:01,100 --> 01:14:59,010 two nights and when we've seen that take 1515 01:15:03,860 --> 01:15:01,110 place we had a roomful of people and all 1516 01:15:05,900 --> 01:15:03,870 of us at once seen seen it we didn't 1517 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:05,910 have to be no one had to pointed out it 1518 01:15:16,190 --> 01:15:11,010 was stinkin obvious right there in your 1519 01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:16,200 face and it's like oh my god now when 1520 01:15:19,850 --> 01:15:17,910 you're saying you're reviewing video is 1521 01:15:21,670 --> 01:15:19,860 it you're just sitting there watching 1522 01:15:26,690 --> 01:15:21,680 video waiting for something to happen 1523 01:15:28,730 --> 01:15:26,700 yes because it was boring oh yeah when 1524 01:15:30,710 --> 01:15:28,740 you only have a few minutes of anything 1525 01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:30,720 that's really worthwhile and the guy 1526 01:15:34,150 --> 01:15:33,000 didn't cue anything ago I don't want it 1527 01:15:37,300 --> 01:15:34,160 cued 1528 01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:37,310 see if you know I want to see everything 1529 01:15:44,050 --> 01:15:41,120 see if there's any flaw if it's the 1530 01:15:49,020 --> 01:15:44,060 camera doing this if it's just you know 1531 01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:52,240 and I still have I don't even know how 1532 01:15:57,130 --> 01:15:54,830 many more to go through but we 1533 01:16:00,010 --> 01:15:57,140 pinpointed exactly what he was talking 1534 01:16:03,820 --> 01:16:00,020 about what he would do is he would just 1535 01:16:06,010 --> 01:16:03,830 leave the camera run leave it run let it 1536 01:16:08,590 --> 01:16:06,020 sit and run and have nothing to do it I 1537 01:16:10,930 --> 01:16:08,600 I would tell no interaction with the 1538 01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:10,940 environment or the camera just set it up 1539 01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:14,210 let it run and he would do that and he 1540 01:16:18,420 --> 01:16:16,250 was very good after a while I got to be 1541 01:16:23,260 --> 01:16:18,430 quite the researcher himself you know 1542 01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:23,270 that was very proactive and and getting 1543 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:26,210 a lot of the information he went crazy 1544 01:16:30,820 --> 01:16:28,010 for a while I told him I says you know 1545 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:30,830 at some point you are gonna hate me and 1546 01:16:36,190 --> 01:16:33,530 he couldn't understand why but I found 1547 01:16:37,690 --> 01:16:36,200 out it's a lot of people who real close 1548 01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:37,700 to the phenomena that what's actually 1549 01:16:42,940 --> 01:16:40,400 happening to them for some reason 1550 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:42,950 somehow someway they corrupt the case 1551 01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:46,730 they Jeff they just compromised either 1552 01:16:51,190 --> 01:16:49,280 the data they lose it they goof it up 1553 01:16:54,850 --> 01:16:51,200 they misrepresent what's actually there 1554 01:16:55,780 --> 01:16:54,860 all of a sudden everything is a 1555 01:16:58,300 --> 01:16:55,790 phenomena 1556 01:17:02,950 --> 01:16:58,310 everything's equipted everything's a UFO 1557 01:17:06,010 --> 01:17:02,960 everything is something unusual it isn't 1558 01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:06,020 the case can we can we talk a little bit 1559 01:17:10,230 --> 01:17:07,490 more on this subject because this is 1560 01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:10,240 something that fascinates me because 1561 01:17:17,250 --> 01:17:13,910 I've I've noticed this as well is that 1562 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:17,260 this seems to happen sometimes in and 1563 01:17:24,460 --> 01:17:21,050 what I have wondered or I just you know 1564 01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:24,470 ponder if the fact that you know they're 1565 01:17:29,410 --> 01:17:26,930 they're real vested in this particular 1566 01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:29,420 case they're working on it's their their 1567 01:17:35,530 --> 01:17:32,330 baby their only child and what they're 1568 01:17:39,850 --> 01:17:35,540 known for in the UFO field and either 1569 01:17:42,010 --> 01:17:39,860 evidence comes up that shows that some 1570 01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:42,020 part of the research was wrong or and 1571 01:17:47,580 --> 01:17:45,920 they completely put blinders to it or or 1572 01:17:51,550 --> 01:17:47,590 they're very protective of 1573 01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:51,560 and or they they just go off the deep 1574 01:17:59,260 --> 01:17:55,690 end because it's it has to be more 1575 01:18:03,399 --> 01:17:59,270 spectacular than than it is in order to 1576 01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:03,409 to get news again is this along the 1577 01:18:08,290 --> 01:18:05,449 lines of similar to what your you're 1578 01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:08,300 talking about yeah I would say it's very 1579 01:18:13,180 --> 01:18:11,090 similar along the lines except that it's 1580 01:18:15,970 --> 01:18:13,190 the actual witness themselves to the 1581 01:18:17,410 --> 01:18:15,980 subject when I have a case the person 1582 01:18:19,450 --> 01:18:17,420 themselves not put so much the 1583 01:18:21,250 --> 01:18:19,460 phenomenon a lot of what I wanted 1584 01:18:24,129 --> 01:18:21,260 research is that is the you know the 1585 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:24,139 social responses psychology what's going 1586 01:18:33,310 --> 01:18:27,530 on there with the individual the 1587 01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:33,320 families everybody that is part of the 1588 01:18:38,260 --> 01:18:36,530 events how is it affecting them how what 1589 01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:38,270 is the cause and effect here of what's 1590 01:18:43,209 --> 01:18:40,730 going on is there an interaction in 1591 01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:43,219 other words can they be affecting it in 1592 01:18:47,620 --> 01:18:44,590 some way 1593 01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:47,630 III think the phenomena is far deeper 1594 01:18:56,939 --> 01:18:51,369 than just little men or little people 1595 01:19:01,140 --> 01:18:56,949 and that may be part of the reasoning of 1596 01:19:06,910 --> 01:19:01,150 it being such a taboo thing in in our 1597 01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,920 society so but as far as people who do 1598 01:19:11,709 --> 01:19:08,960 the investigative work and feel they 1599 01:19:14,140 --> 01:19:11,719 have this is okay their case is so 1600 01:19:16,510 --> 01:19:14,150 perfect and they covet it and it has to 1601 01:19:18,580 --> 01:19:16,520 be this and it's this way and they're 1602 01:19:26,770 --> 01:19:18,590 you know they won't take criticism or 1603 01:19:28,770 --> 01:19:26,780 you know I see it it happens and the the 1604 01:19:31,390 --> 01:19:28,780 subject matter is spectacular enough 1605 01:19:33,220 --> 01:19:31,400 that you don't have to Trump it you know 1606 01:19:37,180 --> 01:19:33,230 every second for the one case to trump 1607 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:37,190 the next case the bottom line is we 1608 01:19:41,770 --> 01:19:38,810 always have to we all have to start in 1609 01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:41,780 the same place and the same place is to 1610 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:45,440 qualify it as being genuine a sighting 1611 01:19:50,649 --> 01:19:49,610 is just a story until there's evidence 1612 01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:50,659 to support it 1613 01:19:55,899 --> 01:19:53,840 and this is what what bothers me and it 1614 01:19:57,020 --> 01:19:55,909 probably gets a lot of people in the 1615 01:19:59,720 --> 01:19:57,030 field 1616 01:20:03,169 --> 01:19:59,730 very angry with me because as you know 1617 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:03,179 I'm not exactly a regular guy in the 1618 01:20:07,700 --> 01:20:03,690 field 1619 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:07,710 I like the scientific I like to have the 1620 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:11,130 case go as far but the information go as 1621 01:20:15,979 --> 01:20:13,770 as far as the evidence from there it's 1622 01:20:18,589 --> 01:20:15,989 you know beyond that it's speculation 1623 01:20:20,899 --> 01:20:18,599 and it's a story that's fine it's great 1624 01:20:24,379 --> 01:20:20,909 to talk about you could talk about the 1625 01:20:27,169 --> 01:20:24,389 person's perception the story but don't 1626 01:20:32,060 --> 01:20:27,179 qualify to anything more than that it 1627 01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:32,070 isn't evidence and when it comes to 1628 01:20:36,919 --> 01:20:34,500 science science demands evidence not 1629 01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:36,929 proof proof against only in math and 1630 01:20:42,169 --> 01:20:38,940 alcohol and this is what people really 1631 01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:42,179 don't understand the distinction 1632 01:20:48,049 --> 01:20:45,510 there's never proof in science it's just 1633 01:20:51,770 --> 01:20:48,059 evidence that evolves and hopefully get 1634 01:20:55,609 --> 01:20:51,780 some sort of hypotheses and again it's 1635 01:20:58,760 --> 01:20:55,619 an extraterrestrial hypotheses not proof 1636 01:21:00,410 --> 01:20:58,770 and you know we never followed one of 1637 01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:00,420 these things back home that it's mom and 1638 01:21:07,399 --> 01:21:05,520 sat down for chili so this is or we got 1639 01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:07,409 to understand things and we have to put 1640 01:21:12,740 --> 01:21:10,679 things into some logical context and 1641 01:21:16,669 --> 01:21:12,750 you're right on the money when it comes 1642 01:21:19,879 --> 01:21:16,679 to you know holding anything sacred 1643 01:21:22,129 --> 01:21:19,889 again any case that I've worked on show 1644 01:21:26,209 --> 01:21:22,139 me the evidence if it's contrary to what 1645 01:21:28,189 --> 01:21:26,219 I've I've seen and for good reason I'm 1646 01:21:30,169 --> 01:21:28,199 the first I want to be the first one to 1647 01:21:33,049 --> 01:21:30,179 say what it is and that's what I'm 1648 01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:33,059 looking for what it is first not what 1649 01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:38,280 it's not right right I just had a 1650 01:21:41,299 --> 01:21:38,610 thought 1651 01:21:45,529 --> 01:21:41,309 and it just escaped me because it's 1652 01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:45,539 along these lines and oh yes a thing I 1653 01:21:50,839 --> 01:21:47,510 mentioned a couple times lately is some 1654 01:21:53,810 --> 01:21:50,849 you know we we don't have any answer to 1655 01:21:56,089 --> 01:21:53,820 what these things are and it's very 1656 01:22:00,830 --> 01:21:56,099 possible that we haven't even thought of 1657 01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:00,840 what they are at all and you know we 1658 01:22:06,770 --> 01:22:03,570 were discussing earlier in our one you 1659 01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:06,780 know about the time distortion and it 1660 01:22:13,709 --> 01:22:10,510 kept me thinking about what if 1661 01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:13,719 what if most of what you know people are 1662 01:22:20,129 --> 01:22:16,209 seeing and experiencing all has to do 1663 01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:20,139 with with the time situation that again 1664 01:22:26,339 --> 01:22:23,170 we can't even perceive yet you know when 1665 01:22:28,529 --> 01:22:26,349 you're talking about time people losing 1666 01:22:30,449 --> 01:22:28,539 time and then gaining it back it just 1667 01:22:33,029 --> 01:22:30,459 made me think of you know maybe this is 1668 01:22:35,219 --> 01:22:33,039 even deeper than you know you can even 1669 01:22:37,169 --> 01:22:35,229 if we could even imagine and maybe it 1670 01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:37,179 has a lot of it has to do with time or 1671 01:22:43,290 --> 01:22:40,030 like you say a lot of it distorts time 1672 01:22:46,589 --> 01:22:43,300 and but what is what is all that about 1673 01:22:50,549 --> 01:22:46,599 it's it's really fascinating that I 1674 01:22:55,620 --> 01:22:50,559 think lies the crux of the real scary 1675 01:22:58,109 --> 01:22:55,630 stuff to truly freaky and when you get 1676 01:23:01,140 --> 01:22:58,119 into this phenomena you find out that it 1677 01:23:03,209 --> 01:23:01,150 dovetails to other things the comp 1678 01:23:04,589 --> 01:23:03,219 Squatch or Squatch you call it about 1679 01:23:07,799 --> 01:23:04,599 these you know script it's the 1680 01:23:09,839 --> 01:23:07,809 skinwalker ranch these these dimensional 1681 01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:09,849 what appears to be all of a sudden 1682 01:23:17,009 --> 01:23:13,510 you're looking and there's this rip or a 1683 01:23:19,770 --> 01:23:17,019 tear or a dimensional something 1684 01:23:24,959 --> 01:23:19,780 something's walking in as if it just 1685 01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:24,969 ripped open a you know a piece of fabric 1686 01:23:29,339 --> 01:23:28,030 that that's the backdrop to what you 1687 01:23:32,879 --> 01:23:29,349 were looking at and you thought was 1688 01:23:37,290 --> 01:23:32,889 there now what does that how does that 1689 01:23:40,729 --> 01:23:37,300 happen and then pops and pops out and 1690 01:23:43,410 --> 01:23:40,739 you see things that you know say for 1691 01:23:45,569 --> 01:23:43,420 instils that were seeing that were 1692 01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:45,579 prehistoric loss more likely the 1693 01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:48,249 shooting at it not affecting it yet you 1694 01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:50,320 know it's there grab the calf and down 1695 01:23:54,839 --> 01:23:53,170 there killed it so you have all these 1696 01:23:57,930 --> 01:23:54,849 unusual things things that look like 1697 01:24:00,239 --> 01:23:57,940 dinosaur cryptid things up at the 1698 01:24:03,419 --> 01:24:00,249 Wisconsin case the gentleman described 1699 01:24:06,739 --> 01:24:03,429 and we have it on video we have pictures 1700 01:24:11,549 --> 01:24:06,749 of these things that look like 1701 01:24:17,219 --> 01:24:11,559 iridescent translucent the one he 1702 01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:17,229 describes him as algae eaters what do 1703 01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:21,010 you call them yes plecos yes now on the 1704 01:24:26,970 --> 01:24:23,830 edge in one of those crawling or slither 1705 01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:26,980 up a tree and and he says they eat the 1706 01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:30,670 deer because the deer go berserk when 1707 01:24:36,090 --> 01:24:32,710 these things are nearby and you could 1708 01:24:38,420 --> 01:24:36,100 see that the the oozing from what 1709 01:24:42,710 --> 01:24:38,430 appeared to be gills are some sort of 1710 01:24:47,670 --> 01:24:42,720 breathing device a self-luminous 1711 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:47,680 pocket or inflated area below the eye 1712 01:24:56,340 --> 01:24:50,770 and in the where would be your throat 1713 01:25:00,210 --> 01:24:56,350 area throats whatever and it's self 1714 01:25:02,610 --> 01:25:00,220 illuminant self-illuminating now what is 1715 01:25:04,530 --> 01:25:02,620 this a breeding you know trans loose 1716 01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:04,540 then he's talking about Dragon sing 1717 01:25:14,990 --> 01:25:07,180 things that look like dragons well you 1718 01:25:19,140 --> 01:25:15,000 know what it comes down to is myth 1719 01:25:21,330 --> 01:25:19,150 Methos myth whatever what's the 1720 01:25:23,460 --> 01:25:21,340 difference between that and a story 1721 01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:23,470 today I don't think there's anything 1722 01:25:29,550 --> 01:25:26,290 different except back then I think 1723 01:25:31,050 --> 01:25:29,560 people were able to you know years back 1724 01:25:35,460 --> 01:25:31,060 they were able to accept these things 1725 01:25:37,170 --> 01:25:35,470 because everybody saw everybody saw you 1726 01:25:40,140 --> 01:25:37,180 know dragons weren't something that were 1727 01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:40,150 make-believe in the textbook so it 1728 01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:43,090 wasn't a story of legends it was a fact 1729 01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:45,460 they were making this stuff up they were 1730 01:25:54,540 --> 01:25:47,440 killing these things because they were 1731 01:25:56,910 --> 01:25:54,550 there and apparently some variation of 1732 01:26:01,290 --> 01:25:56,920 them may be alive today in other places 1733 01:26:04,050 --> 01:26:01,300 do they have some correlation with UFOs 1734 01:26:06,930 --> 01:26:04,060 and all this other stuff I think yes and 1735 01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:06,940 are there certain places that for one 1736 01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:09,930 reason be it the geology or whatever 1737 01:26:17,460 --> 01:26:15,040 somehow like a television set then you 1738 01:26:22,100 --> 01:26:17,470 walk to this place it's turned on for 1739 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:22,110 you or you something about you triggers 1740 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:25,810 the environment and it displays itself 1741 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:29,530 to you you know since this is the freaky 1742 01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:33,850 hour I also think you know you know I 1743 01:26:40,530 --> 01:26:37,330 mean this is a show about UFOs 1744 01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:40,540 etc but you know there's people that 1745 01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:44,530 report ghosts there's people that report 1746 01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:46,000 you know crypt I'd like you're talking 1747 01:26:52,860 --> 01:26:49,570 about there's people that report all 1748 01:26:57,900 --> 01:26:52,870 these things and in a similar area and 1749 01:27:00,350 --> 01:26:57,910 and that really is a wonder you know and 1750 01:27:03,690 --> 01:27:00,360 you know I know some pretty credible 1751 01:27:07,020 --> 01:27:03,700 people that have told quite amazing 1752 01:27:11,610 --> 01:27:07,030 ghost stories that again are like you 1753 01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:11,620 shake your head and say wow if that's 1754 01:27:17,790 --> 01:27:14,500 true you know what would be the answer 1755 01:27:21,390 --> 01:27:17,800 to that right is there a common 1756 01:27:24,420 --> 01:27:21,400 denominator I think so I think the veil 1757 01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:24,430 whatever it is dimensional veil and I 1758 01:27:29,190 --> 01:27:27,130 and during this the one up in Wisconsin 1759 01:27:31,470 --> 01:27:29,200 some of the photographs and some of the 1760 01:27:34,650 --> 01:27:31,480 photographs that I've looked at enhanced 1761 01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:34,660 and worked on from the Arizona case 1762 01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:37,600 seems to indicate there is such a thing 1763 01:27:45,420 --> 01:27:42,210 as a veil a dimensional veil and I 1764 01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:45,430 personally think it had been recorded in 1765 01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:49,810 some instances and what I would find 1766 01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:53,890 very unusual between the two cases as 1767 01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:56,590 the fact that first of all both 1768 01:28:04,710 --> 01:28:00,960 individuals had what appears to be 1769 01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:04,720 implants or growths in their eyes at the 1770 01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:10,570 exact exactly placed or grown if they 1771 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:16,510 were grown next to Iris and it would 1772 01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:19,570 have been at the three o'clock and 9 1773 01:28:32,460 --> 01:28:28,110 o'clock both were very obvious when 1774 01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:32,470 exposed to black light and I recall in 1775 01:28:39,090 --> 01:28:36,130 both instances telling the subjects to 1776 01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:39,100 go into the room and take a you know 1777 01:28:44,250 --> 01:28:42,130 black light and turn it on you know then 1778 01:28:48,300 --> 01:28:44,260 just took over themselves and tell me 1779 01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:48,310 what you see and I asked that the the 1780 01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:50,170 wife and the daughter 1781 01:28:54,030 --> 01:28:52,449 the gentleman Wisconsin do the same you 1782 01:28:56,609 --> 01:28:54,040 know the wife going in and see if 1783 01:28:59,280 --> 01:28:56,619 there's anything unusual to the child or 1784 01:29:01,770 --> 01:28:59,290 lawful nothing those two came out clean 1785 01:29:04,830 --> 01:29:01,780 he on the other hand went over himself 1786 01:29:07,709 --> 01:29:04,840 nothing on his body and then he glared 1787 01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:07,719 up into the mirror and just freaked out 1788 01:29:14,910 --> 01:29:10,960 when he's seen these glowing green 1789 01:29:18,689 --> 01:29:14,920 things in his eyes exactly the same 1790 01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:18,699 spots on both eyes well the funny thing 1791 01:29:23,310 --> 01:29:21,489 is the gentleman down in Arizona was 1792 01:29:24,510 --> 01:29:23,320 experienced in explaining what he was 1793 01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:24,520 seeing 1794 01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:32,290 in Wisconsin had these self these 1795 01:29:36,689 --> 01:29:34,000 illuminated you know these glowing 1796 01:29:38,189 --> 01:29:36,699 things be it implants or whatever you 1797 01:29:40,109 --> 01:29:38,199 want to call them or maybe they didn't 1798 01:29:45,660 --> 01:29:40,119 screw naturally I don't know but they 1799 01:29:50,189 --> 01:29:45,670 were there same thing so what what's the 1800 01:29:52,919 --> 01:29:50,199 odds of that and they looked at these 1801 01:29:55,470 --> 01:29:52,929 things were not natural they were they 1802 01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:55,480 were anomalies no doubt and they don't 1803 01:29:59,370 --> 01:29:57,610 really want to nobody really wanted to 1804 01:30:00,689 --> 01:29:59,380 go beyond that the other thing is they 1805 01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:00,699 want to excite about they have them 1806 01:30:09,359 --> 01:30:04,690 things removed I had one of my 1807 01:30:12,750 --> 01:30:09,369 investigators go up there you see he was 1808 01:30:16,260 --> 01:30:12,760 a professor out here at universities 1809 01:30:17,970 --> 01:30:16,270 backgrounds electronics and computers 1810 01:30:20,250 --> 01:30:17,980 goes out there he was all excited to get 1811 01:30:22,890 --> 01:30:20,260 up there in on many hours away he gets 1812 01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:22,900 up there I was down in Arkansas working 1813 01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:27,040 on something else and he gets up there 1814 01:30:33,300 --> 01:30:29,290 and he calls me and he says Sam this 1815 01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:33,310 place is just unusual and he looked at 1816 01:30:39,109 --> 01:30:35,650 the guy's eyes he said he drew what he's 1817 01:30:41,609 --> 01:30:39,119 saying yeah he said there were Tenniel's 1818 01:30:46,020 --> 01:30:41,619 moving you know they were seem to be 1819 01:30:47,070 --> 01:30:46,030 moving out from from the you know the 1820 01:30:53,550 --> 01:30:47,080 object itself 1821 01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:53,560 and it seemed to been more defined lines 1822 01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:57,090 in structure to it than what he's seen 1823 01:31:02,700 --> 01:30:59,920 just maybe a few weeks afterwards he 1824 01:31:04,340 --> 01:31:02,710 felt that something had grown over it it 1825 01:31:06,630 --> 01:31:04,350 had become 1826 01:31:10,050 --> 01:31:06,640 you know taking it to the eye and now 1827 01:31:12,900 --> 01:31:10,060 it's part of the guy oh yeah wasn't 1828 01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:12,910 rejecting it it became part of it well 1829 01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:14,560 what the weird thing is they were able 1830 01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:17,890 to see part of the infrared or 1831 01:31:23,070 --> 01:31:20,560 ultraviolet more than better than you or 1832 01:31:25,230 --> 01:31:23,080 I afterwards and they were seeing things 1833 01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:25,240 that I could not see and they would even 1834 01:31:33,090 --> 01:31:27,520 look at photos well can't you see this 1835 01:31:34,830 --> 01:31:33,100 and I'm like no I can't and this isn't 1836 01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:34,840 the first time I heard that but I've 1837 01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:37,830 never had a case where two people 1838 01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:40,690 exactly at the same time seeing unusual 1839 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:44,560 stuff but at two different places in the 1840 01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:46,690 country one being up Wisconsin one being 1841 01:31:52,770 --> 01:31:50,530 down in the Arizona so seeing the same 1842 01:31:54,900 --> 01:31:52,780 phenomenon saying the same stuff the 1843 01:31:56,690 --> 01:31:54,910 funny thing is each of them having a 1844 01:32:00,170 --> 01:31:56,700 different description on what they were 1845 01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:00,180 explaining each mum having their own 1846 01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:04,570 lexicon of Ward shoes and trying to 1847 01:32:10,350 --> 01:32:07,450 figure out what I'm talking about they 1848 01:32:14,250 --> 01:32:10,360 both knew I couldn't figure it out and 1849 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:14,260 it just took time Wow Wow since this is 1850 01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:17,050 the freaky hour I have to I'm going to 1851 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:20,770 tell you about a dream that Natalia here 1852 01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:24,010 the listeners would know where she was a 1853 01:32:28,620 --> 01:32:25,600 person helping out with the contest a 1854 01:32:32,610 --> 01:32:28,630 couple of times here Russian my 1855 01:32:35,700 --> 01:32:32,620 girlfriend here she had a dream last 1856 01:32:37,050 --> 01:32:35,710 night now she's not really into UFOs or 1857 01:32:38,990 --> 01:32:37,060 anything like that but she had a dream 1858 01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:39,000 last night that she 1859 01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:42,160 aliens came to visit her and they were 1860 01:32:51,060 --> 01:32:45,760 here for one thing this world that is 1861 01:32:52,740 --> 01:32:51,070 and that was her coffee and and she 1862 01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:52,750 doesn't drink coffee by the way and they 1863 01:32:59,640 --> 01:32:57,010 say yep and they said to her that if 1864 01:33:01,470 --> 01:32:59,650 they if she was able to get them you 1865 01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:01,480 know a large amount of coffee that they 1866 01:33:04,940 --> 01:33:02,890 would tell her anything she needed to 1867 01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:04,950 know and they were gonna take her home 1868 01:33:14,730 --> 01:33:10,450 she said I wanted to go home so that's 1869 01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:14,740 another freaky story you can't make that 1870 01:33:18,610 --> 01:33:16,370 stuff up now 1871 01:33:21,060 --> 01:33:18,620 we have a I'm having trouble again with 1872 01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:21,070 the chatroom and I apologize for that 1873 01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:23,930 having trouble with Internet not a Wi-Fi 1874 01:33:31,090 --> 01:33:26,810 internet this the Skype part that we're 1875 01:33:33,130 --> 01:33:31,100 recording here is on hardline so there's 1876 01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:33,140 no problem with that but there is a 1877 01:33:38,050 --> 01:33:35,360 question that came up do you have any 1878 01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:38,060 information about green fireballs or 1879 01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:39,890 have you ever looked into that subject 1880 01:33:45,250 --> 01:33:43,370 at all you know I got a chill up my 1881 01:33:48,750 --> 01:33:45,260 spine because I was gonna it was one of 1882 01:33:52,690 --> 01:33:48,760 the freaky I was going to talk about I 1883 01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:52,700 was asked that on the message board will 1884 01:34:05,290 --> 01:33:57,050 do to freak me out okay we're reviewing 1885 01:34:07,330 --> 01:34:05,300 a buddy of mine and we're looking at he 1886 01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:07,340 wanted to see the footage from Gimli 1887 01:34:13,090 --> 01:34:10,610 park and he came over I was working on 1888 01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:13,100 something else for him and he's sitting 1889 01:34:20,260 --> 01:34:16,130 there watching the Tinley Park footage I 1890 01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:20,270 lived in at that time in a condo in 1891 01:34:28,090 --> 01:34:24,880 Orland Park and we're watching this and 1892 01:34:31,540 --> 01:34:28,100 right after TJ started screaming there 1893 01:34:34,540 --> 01:34:31,550 he goes I got it I got it on tape but at 1894 01:34:37,480 --> 01:34:34,550 that point a green fireball flew over 1895 01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:37,490 the house I'm talking so bright it lit 1896 01:34:41,980 --> 01:34:40,370 up the inside of the house and it was 1897 01:34:47,170 --> 01:34:41,990 reported on the news but it food 1898 01:34:50,590 --> 01:34:47,180 directly directly over us in a South by 1899 01:34:53,650 --> 01:34:50,600 Southwest early direction and it glowed 1900 01:35:08,530 --> 01:34:53,660 I mean the whole area was a it happened 1901 01:35:12,730 --> 01:35:08,540 at the same time TJ was screaming he 1902 01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,740 goes I think it was a UFO that is gone 1903 01:35:17,380 --> 01:35:14,960 whatever it was it's gone sure enough 1904 01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:17,390 was a green fireball but the green 1905 01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:21,520 fireballs have been associated as being 1906 01:35:29,470 --> 01:35:24,290 potentially something other than just 1907 01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:29,480 meteorites the Los Alamos case 1908 01:35:35,170 --> 01:35:32,810 of years back in the 50s there was many 1909 01:35:37,810 --> 01:35:35,180 sightings we've had many sightings of 1910 01:35:39,790 --> 01:35:37,820 the green fireballs I don't think it 1911 01:35:42,460 --> 01:35:39,800 wasn't it was an accident 1912 01:35:45,700 --> 01:35:42,470 that this thing flew directly over if it 1913 01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:45,710 did at that time I would just be very 1914 01:35:51,130 --> 01:35:46,930 surprised 1915 01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:51,140 nothing was recovered on this very 1916 01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:53,690 brilliant green fireball that flew over 1917 01:35:58,450 --> 01:35:56,960 so you can actually look that up I'm 1918 01:36:03,340 --> 01:35:58,460 trying to think of when that was maybe 1919 01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:03,350 like two thousand and five or six that 1920 01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:07,250 was reported now I could see why say a 1921 01:36:12,130 --> 01:36:09,650 fireball would have you know different 1922 01:36:14,229 --> 01:36:12,140 colors like to say if it was a meteor 1923 01:36:17,260 --> 01:36:14,239 because of the different chemical 1924 01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:17,270 compounds that are burning up you know 1925 01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:19,489 in the atmosphere could come up with 1926 01:36:26,020 --> 01:36:22,400 different colors but oh definitely 1927 01:36:28,630 --> 01:36:26,030 but Green certainly is unusual it's 1928 01:36:30,970 --> 01:36:28,640 unusual you know me I always stick with 1929 01:36:33,700 --> 01:36:30,980 the prosaic first unless there's 1930 01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:33,710 anything good could stay saying anyways 1931 01:36:39,370 --> 01:36:35,810 anyways said that are something else 1932 01:36:40,780 --> 01:36:39,380 different but you can't just unless you 1933 01:36:43,570 --> 01:36:40,790 have evidence to say yeah it's 1934 01:36:46,590 --> 01:36:43,580 definitively something prosaic yeah you 1935 01:36:49,150 --> 01:36:46,600 have to take that into consideration too 1936 01:36:52,060 --> 01:36:49,160 consciousness does consciousness have an 1937 01:36:56,830 --> 01:36:52,070 interplay with the unidentified flying 1938 01:36:58,570 --> 01:36:56,840 objects I think I say yes and I'll tell 1939 01:37:00,460 --> 01:36:58,580 you why 1940 01:37:03,550 --> 01:37:00,470 many a time I've done a couple 1941 01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:03,560 experiences a couple experiments with 1942 01:37:09,610 --> 01:37:07,280 that one had to do with water the 1943 01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:09,620 properties of water and to think about 1944 01:37:14,260 --> 01:37:12,530 something and you know whatever the 1945 01:37:18,490 --> 01:37:14,270 whole notion of wishing wells and 1946 01:37:24,010 --> 01:37:18,500 everything else do I do I do I give any 1947 01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:24,020 credence to us I don't know but the same 1948 01:37:36,430 --> 01:37:28,210 token I tried it earlier the day was a 1949 01:37:40,330 --> 01:37:36,440 client's house and I kept on thinking 1950 01:37:42,339 --> 01:37:40,340 about this could be 100% spend I mean 1951 01:37:45,339 --> 01:37:42,349 very speculative on this 1952 01:37:50,799 --> 01:37:45,349 that evening which was I think the third 1953 01:37:54,609 --> 01:37:50,809 or the second of May 2003 we were on the 1954 01:37:57,909 --> 01:37:54,619 Grange Road 159th Street and Julie goes 1955 01:38:01,989 --> 01:37:57,919 look this guy what is that perfectly 1956 01:38:04,659 --> 01:38:01,999 clear night beautiful night I was my 1957 01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:04,669 eyes were tired I go Julie 1958 01:38:19,959 --> 01:38:15,419 look underneath the the visor look up 1959 01:38:23,799 --> 01:38:19,969 huge orange beautiful orb sitting the 1960 01:38:27,369 --> 01:38:23,809 sky my god 1961 01:38:30,189 --> 01:38:27,379 an orange orb is like nothing you ever 1962 01:38:32,649 --> 01:38:30,199 seen it doesn't look like a Chinese 1963 01:38:35,290 --> 01:38:32,659 lantern a flare and a balloon or a 1964 01:38:38,259 --> 01:38:35,300 balloon at all especially when it's 1965 01:38:40,540 --> 01:38:38,269 sitting in a 23 mile hour wind and it's 1966 01:38:45,060 --> 01:38:40,550 completely static this thing sitting 1967 01:38:52,540 --> 01:38:45,070 there is if you painted it in the sky 1968 01:38:54,939 --> 01:38:52,550 orange like like a sunset orange it 1969 01:38:59,349 --> 01:38:54,949 there's nothing like it and do you know 1970 01:39:02,500 --> 01:38:59,359 there's no variation whatsoever in the 1971 01:39:05,139 --> 01:39:02,510 coloration none it's exactly the same 1972 01:39:09,159 --> 01:39:05,149 all the way around if there's any 1973 01:39:11,790 --> 01:39:09,169 variation it's at the extremities and it 1974 01:39:14,020 --> 01:39:11,800 would probably have to do it atmospheric 1975 01:39:18,069 --> 01:39:14,030 you know as far as what you're seeing 1976 01:39:21,129 --> 01:39:18,079 but boozing from the bottom boozing from 1977 01:39:26,649 --> 01:39:21,139 the bottom were these smaller droplets 1978 01:39:30,250 --> 01:39:26,659 as would have appeared like of of the 1979 01:39:33,009 --> 01:39:30,260 same color but photons could play some 1980 01:39:35,799 --> 01:39:33,019 games on your with your eyes if you have 1981 01:39:40,659 --> 01:39:35,809 an orb let's say they coming out at the 1982 01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:40,669 bottom or whatever and it's illuminated 1983 01:39:44,319 --> 01:39:42,800 it's gonna look as though it's ripping 1984 01:39:47,020 --> 01:39:44,329 away from it and that's what it looked 1985 01:39:49,599 --> 01:39:47,030 like and there were these things coming 1986 01:39:51,790 --> 01:39:49,609 out for the bottom we watched it we were 1987 01:39:52,540 --> 01:39:51,800 at this light and all of us it sat there 1988 01:39:54,910 --> 01:39:52,550 I don't know 1989 01:39:58,270 --> 01:39:54,920 but we watched it for seven minutes it 1990 01:40:02,549 --> 01:39:58,280 had to sit there for or 30 seconds or 1991 01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:02,559 more and it took off it just slowly 1992 01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:06,800 gained altitude and it just went off and 1993 01:40:10,810 --> 01:40:08,530 a south by south westerly direction 1994 01:40:13,569 --> 01:40:10,820 Chile and I followed it for seven 1995 01:40:17,140 --> 01:40:13,579 minutes and as it was moving and going 1996 01:40:19,229 --> 01:40:17,150 along the coloration changed which I 1997 01:40:23,709 --> 01:40:19,239 found interesting at a certain distance 1998 01:40:25,810 --> 01:40:23,719 it was changing when from the orange to 1999 01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:25,820 a goldish to a yellow it's like a blue 2000 01:40:30,100 --> 01:40:28,159 and then to a white little distance you 2001 01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:30,110 know it was fun to me that says 2002 01:40:35,950 --> 01:40:32,690 different temperatures could be 2003 01:40:41,049 --> 01:40:35,960 temperature could be atmospheric the 2004 01:40:42,729 --> 01:40:41,059 effect of the wavelength could be and 2005 01:40:43,689 --> 01:40:42,739 temperature is always you know the 2006 01:40:47,620 --> 01:40:43,699 course wavelength 2007 01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,630 I don't know but the thing is that's how 2008 01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:49,520 I'm perceiving it you know how we're 2009 01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:52,250 seeing it they were telling Julie well 2010 01:40:55,569 --> 01:40:54,170 I'm driving tell me the colors while 2011 01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:55,579 we're going along tell me what if 2012 01:41:00,339 --> 01:40:58,400 there's any variation and she's telling 2013 01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:00,349 me it's this it's that and you know and 2014 01:41:04,689 --> 01:41:04,010 we're following for seven minutes it was 2015 01:41:07,049 --> 01:41:04,699 great 2016 01:41:11,459 --> 01:41:07,059 the next day well I came home that night 2017 01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:11,469 and I called the non-emergency number 2018 01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:14,480 for the dispatch in that area police 2019 01:41:19,390 --> 01:41:16,730 dispatch and I told him I says you know 2020 01:41:22,359 --> 01:41:19,400 did you receive any reports pertaining 2021 01:41:24,189 --> 01:41:22,369 to this large orange orb the UFO 2022 01:41:28,060 --> 01:41:24,199 researcher and the guy start clapping oh 2023 01:41:31,390 --> 01:41:28,070 no I'm serious you know nothing came in 2024 01:41:32,500 --> 01:41:31,400 and that was that I don't know maybe ten 2025 01:41:35,500 --> 01:41:32,510 o'clock or something 2026 01:41:37,359 --> 01:41:35,510 later that night before midnight I had 2027 01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:37,369 gotten a call it was the same person 2028 01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:40,610 they said they it says mister moranto 2029 01:41:48,370 --> 01:41:46,090 what you saw was children with balloons 2030 01:41:49,450 --> 01:41:48,380 first of all he's reading a script 2031 01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:49,460 children with balloons 2032 01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:51,530 I don't know now these were not balloons 2033 01:41:59,740 --> 01:41:56,239 and I don't know children with some you 2034 01:42:01,979 --> 01:41:59,750 know with a budget to assemble something 2035 01:42:04,250 --> 01:42:01,989 like this and do what that thing did 2036 01:42:07,380 --> 01:42:04,260 anything else 2037 01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:07,390 it's children with balloons I go who 2038 01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:09,520 told you to tell me that he goes I can't 2039 01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:15,520 tell you the next day the gentleman on 2040 01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:19,030 the guys that when my neighbor's his son 2041 01:42:24,300 --> 01:42:21,850 was a auxilary police officer in the 2042 01:42:26,810 --> 01:42:24,310 area and he gave me the scoop and he 2043 01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:26,820 said it was pretty crazy that night 2044 01:42:32,730 --> 01:42:29,710 things were taken documents were taken 2045 01:42:35,670 --> 01:42:32,740 log pages in the log book were taken out 2046 01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:35,680 on and on and out of that so something 2047 01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:39,730 happened and that was a genuine sighting 2048 01:42:46,410 --> 01:42:43,030 with multiple witnesses which I found 2049 01:42:49,650 --> 01:42:46,420 out later and that was prior to the 2050 01:42:50,190 --> 01:42:49,660 Tinley Park sighting but right in the 2051 01:42:52,350 --> 01:42:50,200 area 2052 01:42:55,860 --> 01:42:52,360 Boylan park Tinley Park right next to 2053 01:42:58,380 --> 01:42:55,870 each other Wow when you're driving like 2054 01:43:00,510 --> 01:42:58,390 that you know the one thing I think of 2055 01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:00,520 us you know you're talking earlier in 2056 01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:01,930 the first hour about the woman that got 2057 01:43:07,260 --> 01:43:03,490 out of the car and was waving her arms 2058 01:43:10,020 --> 01:43:07,270 and pointing that's that's kind of what 2059 01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:10,030 I think I would do is try to pull over 2060 01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:12,610 and you know if you see something like 2061 01:43:17,370 --> 01:43:14,650 that but you're on chase 2062 01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:17,380 you know you chase this thing for you 2063 01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:18,880 said like seven minutes or something 2064 01:43:26,910 --> 01:43:23,110 like that you hear police officers doing 2065 01:43:29,690 --> 01:43:26,920 that and you know I guess out of 2066 01:43:32,430 --> 01:43:29,700 curiosity I would probably do that 2067 01:43:36,530 --> 01:43:32,440 although there's a fear level in there 2068 01:43:40,410 --> 01:43:36,540 as well to you know not to get too close 2069 01:43:45,660 --> 01:43:40,420 did you ever think those lines all the 2070 01:43:47,190 --> 01:43:45,670 time yeah on case is everything so I 2071 01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:47,200 want to go up to it and I want them to 2072 01:43:56,580 --> 01:43:53,530 take me I'm up to this no that's that's 2073 01:44:02,220 --> 01:43:56,590 like called stupid um first of all 2074 01:44:05,730 --> 01:44:02,230 that's Travis Walton stupid the first 2075 01:44:09,470 --> 01:44:05,740 wouldn't would to tell you that I would 2076 01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:09,480 do that again he would be the first one 2077 01:44:13,950 --> 01:44:12,250 but thank God he did and he lives to 2078 01:44:15,260 --> 01:44:13,960 tell about it because it's very 2079 01:44:17,570 --> 01:44:15,270 interesting and there's 2080 01:44:23,480 --> 01:44:17,580 he's not playing games demands genuine 2081 01:44:26,690 --> 01:44:23,490 could be you know the my own personal 2082 01:44:29,180 --> 01:44:26,700 experience you know you get excited 2083 01:44:31,070 --> 01:44:29,190 about this stuff but when it gets to the 2084 01:44:33,770 --> 01:44:31,080 point where just scared the living 2085 01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:33,780 bejesus out of you and it's involved in 2086 01:44:42,500 --> 01:44:38,400 your life what front and personal you 2087 01:44:44,210 --> 01:44:42,510 can't hide from it so I think that's 2088 01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:44,220 another element to this is the fear 2089 01:44:58,220 --> 01:44:50,010 factor is genuine and I think that goes 2090 01:45:00,320 --> 01:44:58,230 at every level and and one thing I don't 2091 01:45:04,250 --> 01:45:00,330 think you and I have ever talked about 2092 01:45:08,210 --> 01:45:04,260 is is the abduction phenomena you know I 2093 01:45:10,010 --> 01:45:08,220 owe a lot of what I have thought in the 2094 01:45:14,570 --> 01:45:10,020 past I've been kind of on the fence last 2095 01:45:16,580 --> 01:45:14,580 last week we had a woman on named 2096 01:45:20,630 --> 01:45:16,590 Christina Knowles she was very 2097 01:45:22,910 --> 01:45:20,640 articulate and bright and and considers 2098 01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:22,920 herself an experienced are very 2099 01:45:29,450 --> 01:45:26,880 convincing it's it's really it's a tough 2100 01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:29,460 pill to swallow for me that all these 2101 01:45:33,410 --> 01:45:31,650 millions of people are hundreds of 2102 01:45:37,010 --> 01:45:33,420 thousands are actually getting abducted 2103 01:45:40,220 --> 01:45:37,020 and and let go and repeatedly for some 2104 01:45:42,050 --> 01:45:40,230 reason but I'm not discounting and I'm 2105 01:45:46,670 --> 01:45:42,060 not saying it doesn't it doesn't happen 2106 01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:46,680 it's just it's a bizarre situation if so 2107 01:45:51,650 --> 01:45:48,690 it doesn't make any sense but what does 2108 01:45:53,450 --> 01:45:51,660 make sense in this whole field and I 2109 01:45:56,450 --> 01:45:53,460 think that's that what does make sense 2110 01:45:58,670 --> 01:45:56,460 if we had again I keep probably running 2111 01:46:05,480 --> 01:45:58,680 this into the ground if we had some clue 2112 01:46:09,260 --> 01:46:05,490 as to what we are why we are you know I 2113 01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:09,270 think all this would dovetail in like a 2114 01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:11,970 the meshing of gears and the phenomena 2115 01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:14,130 we call phenomena it would just be so 2116 01:46:20,090 --> 01:46:18,000 what does you know it's just this but it 2117 01:46:24,350 --> 01:46:20,100 has to do with us this whole everything 2118 01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:24,360 has to do with us not with whatever it 2119 01:46:28,490 --> 01:46:25,650 is it has 2120 01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:28,500 to do with us because that's where 2121 01:46:32,750 --> 01:46:31,530 reality starts for everything it's a 2122 01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:32,760 this journey 2123 01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:35,520 regardless not many of us experience 2124 01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:37,770 this this this journey call it live call 2125 01:46:44,030 --> 01:46:40,770 it whatever you want it's our journey 2126 01:46:46,940 --> 01:46:44,040 our human existence yes our human 2127 01:46:48,860 --> 01:46:46,950 whatever whatever it's Goodman right and 2128 01:46:51,890 --> 01:46:48,870 you know one of the things I always 2129 01:46:55,670 --> 01:46:51,900 question is I just think you know when 2130 01:46:57,860 --> 01:46:55,680 they say you know the human species is 2131 01:47:00,620 --> 01:46:57,870 only what a few million years old or 2132 01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:00,630 something like that I think I think 2133 01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:03,030 they're wrong you know and I oh yeah ask 2134 01:47:08,630 --> 01:47:05,280 Michael Cremo about that yeah I mean I 2135 01:47:11,870 --> 01:47:08,640 just think that we're way too developed 2136 01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:11,880 be just that short of time I know that's 2137 01:47:16,940 --> 01:47:15,030 a long time and a lot of generations and 2138 01:47:19,190 --> 01:47:16,950 all that but still I just think for 2139 01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:19,200 evolving into what we've evolved and in 2140 01:47:25,010 --> 01:47:22,730 just a few short million years I think 2141 01:47:27,410 --> 01:47:25,020 you know it's hard to it's hard to 2142 01:47:31,670 --> 01:47:27,420 conceive what that type of time is 2143 01:47:34,670 --> 01:47:31,680 anyway but still it's questionable it's 2144 01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:34,680 all questionable and this is the freaky 2145 01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:36,810 hour it is the freaky hour I mean it 2146 01:47:40,850 --> 01:47:39,330 stop and think about you know stop and 2147 01:47:42,710 --> 01:47:40,860 think about how could this all and our 2148 01:47:44,990 --> 01:47:42,720 time that UFOs and you talk about this 2149 01:47:47,480 --> 01:47:45,000 you know this all comes together there 2150 01:47:50,180 --> 01:47:47,490 is no all the line goes here and the 2151 01:47:51,770 --> 01:47:50,190 line there is no line folks there is no 2152 01:47:54,140 --> 01:47:51,780 line all this stuff all the allergies 2153 01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:54,150 all the all the things that go on in 2154 01:47:58,460 --> 01:47:55,770 your mind all this stuff comes together 2155 01:48:01,310 --> 01:47:58,470 what what happens is when you get into 2156 01:48:06,350 --> 01:48:01,320 this field of ufology call whatever you 2157 01:48:08,210 --> 01:48:06,360 want and any element that brings your 2158 01:48:11,330 --> 01:48:08,220 brain to a point that you come to 2159 01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:11,340 realize that you really need to shake 2160 01:48:16,730 --> 01:48:13,920 yourself free of beliefs that you 2161 01:48:19,130 --> 01:48:16,740 shouldn't take a notion and hang it up 2162 01:48:22,700 --> 01:48:19,140 on something and say yes that's it and 2163 01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:22,710 nothing more well that's the day your 2164 01:48:28,610 --> 01:48:26,010 brain just died and you just got rid of 2165 01:48:31,850 --> 01:48:28,620 anything that at that is at the crux of 2166 01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:31,860 what we want to say human because I 2167 01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:34,400 think part of the human experience is 2168 01:48:38,630 --> 01:48:37,110 experience let's look at this let's 2169 01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:38,640 analyze it 2170 01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:40,080 don't know what it is I don't even know 2171 01:48:46,970 --> 01:48:42,000 if we need to give it a name but it's 2172 01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:46,980 there and you know that rabbit hole 2173 01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:50,730 so I a lot longer and wider than than we 2174 01:48:55,820 --> 01:48:54,090 do want to run down but you know for 2175 01:49:00,620 --> 01:48:55,830 those of us are made at a point to do so 2176 01:49:03,740 --> 01:49:00,630 my god what what eye-opener the world is 2177 01:49:06,290 --> 01:49:03,750 is not what we think it is I mean just 2178 01:49:09,530 --> 01:49:06,300 enough just as a matter of fact matter 2179 01:49:11,330 --> 01:49:09,540 isn't what we think it is so if we have 2180 01:49:13,700 --> 01:49:11,340 we are dealing with beings or an 2181 01:49:16,490 --> 01:49:13,710 intelligence or a consciousness that's 2182 01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:16,500 that's vessel that it's been vessel be 2183 01:49:21,380 --> 01:49:19,170 it by evolution or or whatever that 2184 01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:21,390 they're possessing be it a body or 2185 01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:25,110 whatever has a different composition and 2186 01:49:31,340 --> 01:49:29,130 as far as abilities I mean just look 2187 01:49:33,500 --> 01:49:31,350 just look at our own planet look at a 2188 01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:33,510 squid look what a squid could do with 2189 01:49:39,170 --> 01:49:36,210 its colors it's it's like it's a it's a 2190 01:49:41,330 --> 01:49:39,180 living neon sign it we can't do that and 2191 01:49:44,450 --> 01:49:41,340 and what an octopus could do these are 2192 01:49:47,630 --> 01:49:44,460 beings right here on our planet that 2193 01:49:49,250 --> 01:49:47,640 ours that's foreign to us as alien us to 2194 01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:49,260 anything that could be sitting out there 2195 01:49:54,740 --> 01:49:51,570 trillions of miles away and it's right 2196 01:49:57,340 --> 01:49:54,750 here we eat the barren things but we 2197 01:50:00,110 --> 01:49:57,350 can't appreciate their their alien 2198 01:50:04,250 --> 01:50:00,120 they're they're so unusual and beautiful 2199 01:50:06,860 --> 01:50:04,260 abilities and intelligence my god you 2200 01:50:08,630 --> 01:50:06,870 know but it's right here we know more 2201 01:50:14,180 --> 01:50:08,640 about the moon than we know what's going 2202 01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:14,190 on in the ocean the ocean and we get UFO 2203 01:50:18,890 --> 01:50:16,890 cases the the you know on a diet I 2204 01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:18,900 notified some notable artists we had one 2205 01:50:24,230 --> 01:50:21,450 just recently a trucker called in one 2206 01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:24,240 from from Southern Illinois where he's 2207 01:50:28,220 --> 01:50:25,170 seeing this object 2208 01:50:30,770 --> 01:50:28,230 you know this UFO going to Red Lake now 2209 01:50:33,950 --> 01:50:30,780 we've had a lot of cases like that we've 2210 01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:33,960 had huge triangles come out of Lake 2211 01:50:40,250 --> 01:50:37,290 Michigan now what was the size of the 2212 01:50:42,380 --> 01:50:40,260 lake and there with this recent report 2213 01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:42,390 Grenn lakes a big lake it's a 2214 01:50:48,140 --> 01:50:45,210 impoundment it's one of those or they 2215 01:50:50,690 --> 01:50:48,150 blocked off a native dam and blocked off 2216 01:50:52,060 --> 01:50:50,700 an area look you look it up Brent Lakes 2217 01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:52,070 pretty big 2218 01:50:57,500 --> 01:50:55,410 again it's a story but it's you know 2219 01:51:00,770 --> 01:50:57,510 it's interesting and and everything's 2220 01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:00,780 credible to the point of a story it 2221 01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:02,370 can't go beyond that but give me some 2222 01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:05,520 evidence on it the other thing is you 2223 01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:07,530 know we've had other accounts in that 2224 01:51:13,670 --> 01:51:10,530 area of similar things these people had 2225 01:51:16,850 --> 01:51:13,680 come forward a good percentage of them 2226 01:51:19,460 --> 01:51:16,860 are just full of it but then there's 2227 01:51:23,300 --> 01:51:19,470 another huge percentage of of them 2228 01:51:25,070 --> 01:51:23,310 there's just as genuine is the most 2229 01:51:28,100 --> 01:51:25,080 Union people you could ever meet they 2230 01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:28,110 have no reason to lie they're telling 2231 01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:29,850 you what they saw is it a misperception 2232 01:51:36,380 --> 01:51:34,170 could be who knows but the thing is I've 2233 01:51:40,370 --> 01:51:36,390 had a lot of people said the same thing 2234 01:51:42,380 --> 01:51:40,380 so when you have multiple people say the 2235 01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:42,390 same thing maybe there's some credence 2236 01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:45,360 to it either way it's a darn good story 2237 01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:48,960 and to ignore it would be foolish yeah I 2238 01:51:57,770 --> 01:51:52,410 was always fascinated by what was it 2239 01:52:01,120 --> 01:51:57,780 Sweden where the cigar shaped vessels 2240 01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:01,130 around the world 1946 I think it was 2241 01:52:05,930 --> 01:52:03,570 Rockets yeah the ghost rockets they all 2242 01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:05,940 smashed into lakes or when you know 2243 01:52:12,890 --> 01:52:09,570 dropped into lakes another bizarre thing 2244 01:52:15,380 --> 01:52:12,900 that you know no one has any any clue to 2245 01:52:18,170 --> 01:52:15,390 what it is and and again you know 2246 01:52:20,480 --> 01:52:18,180 there's there's there's a book out now 2247 01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:20,490 that has an explanation to it but I 2248 01:52:28,700 --> 01:52:23,610 haven't read it the whole notion of 2249 01:52:30,710 --> 01:52:28,710 Russian experiments you know I just 2250 01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:30,720 don't buy it how did they find lakes I 2251 01:52:34,910 --> 01:52:32,610 mean they all win into lakes yeah how 2252 01:52:42,170 --> 01:52:34,920 about it it just makes sense and the 2253 01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:42,180 other thing is the Great Lakes for 2254 01:52:47,980 --> 01:52:46,050 instance the not too long ago maybe 2255 01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:47,990 about seven years ago eight years ago 2256 01:52:53,900 --> 01:52:51,360 all of a sudden you know satellite 2257 01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:53,910 images were showing unusual perfect 2258 01:52:59,330 --> 01:52:56,730 circular impressions on the bottom of 2259 01:53:01,220 --> 01:52:59,340 Lake Superior and they're trying to 2260 01:53:04,430 --> 01:53:01,230 figure out what are these things you 2261 01:53:06,590 --> 01:53:04,440 know like craters possibly or something 2262 01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:06,600 not sure but there were some perfectly 2263 01:53:17,180 --> 01:53:12,570 round impressions or holes in Lake 2264 01:53:19,580 --> 01:53:17,190 Superior so just to think that it's 2265 01:53:25,090 --> 01:53:19,590 beyond the possibility of there being 2266 01:53:28,340 --> 01:53:25,100 portals to underground or you know 2267 01:53:34,060 --> 01:53:28,350 whatever base is water I think it's a 2268 01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:34,070 perfect place to to hide you know 2269 01:53:39,860 --> 01:53:37,530 entries into something subterranean or 2270 01:53:42,530 --> 01:53:39,870 just to have bases under under water 2271 01:53:45,379 --> 01:53:42,540 that these things have no problem moving 2272 01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:45,389 through water and apparently summer may 2273 01:53:52,010 --> 01:53:48,320 even have the ability to transverse 2274 01:53:53,810 --> 01:53:52,020 material such as rocks and you don't 2275 01:54:01,100 --> 01:53:53,820 know I mean they may have a better 2276 01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:01,110 understanding of the way to do I don't 2277 01:54:05,090 --> 01:54:03,360 know you know the whole thing is what 2278 01:54:07,070 --> 01:54:05,100 are we dealing with and what we're 2279 01:54:10,399 --> 01:54:07,080 dealing is as if there's a multiplicity 2280 01:54:14,330 --> 01:54:10,409 of phenomena and possible explanations 2281 01:54:17,090 --> 01:54:14,340 it isn't one thing that that fits all it 2282 01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:17,100 isn't you know it isn't a Swiss Army 2283 01:54:23,060 --> 01:54:20,610 knife either I think it's it's things 2284 01:54:26,140 --> 01:54:23,070 being things that could be just quite 2285 01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:26,150 simply vessels things that could be 2286 01:54:30,620 --> 01:54:28,530 advanced technologies from other places 2287 01:54:33,110 --> 01:54:30,630 or their beings someday that live here 2288 01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:33,120 some that share this planet this place 2289 01:54:38,180 --> 01:54:35,850 this time to space or some variation of 2290 01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:38,190 it then of course there are things that 2291 01:54:44,030 --> 01:54:42,000 may be so outside the possibility of 2292 01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:44,040 even comprehending they could pending 2293 01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:46,530 you know by the human intelligent anyway 2294 01:54:52,129 --> 01:54:49,530 I don't care if you have a 500 IQ it's 2295 01:54:54,620 --> 01:54:52,139 just outside the scope of the realm of 2296 01:54:56,860 --> 01:54:54,630 human that that it just can only be put 2297 01:55:01,550 --> 01:54:56,870 into category of other and that's fine 2298 01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:01,560 why not right mm-hmm 2299 01:55:07,129 --> 01:55:04,290 I we only have like a couple minutes 2300 01:55:10,220 --> 01:55:07,139 left here I mean something like two 2301 01:55:13,399 --> 01:55:10,230 minutes or so Sam you don't I don't 2302 01:55:16,669 --> 01:55:13,409 believe you have a website to you know 2303 01:55:17,790 --> 01:55:16,679 not I'm working on it I have the UFO guy 2304 01:55:23,130 --> 01:55:17,800 by the way I've on 2305 01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:23,140 for how many years right since ages I 2306 01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:25,810 have the UFO guy I got the UFO sleuth I 2307 01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:26,410 got a few 2308 01:55:31,590 --> 01:55:28,810 I've got like 37 domains it's like I got 2309 01:55:33,390 --> 01:55:31,600 nothing to do your time it's like that 2310 01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:33,400 sounds good I got a good domain for that 2311 01:55:38,610 --> 01:55:37,090 you know really come on Sam what do you 2312 01:55:39,900 --> 01:55:38,620 do with these things Joey's gonna beat 2313 01:55:44,370 --> 01:55:39,910 you to death with them that's what you 2314 01:55:46,380 --> 01:55:44,380 do well can someone reach you out there 2315 01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:46,390 through any type of way absolutely you 2316 01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:49,690 could you could contact me @ SJ moranto 2317 01:55:58,980 --> 01:55:55,810 SJ moranto at comcast.net SJ around 2:00 2318 01:56:01,380 --> 01:55:58,990 at comcast.net and you know I did get a 2319 01:56:04,380 --> 01:56:01,390 Skype phone number though not eventually 2320 01:56:06,750 --> 01:56:04,390 give to you so people can just call and 2321 01:56:10,380 --> 01:56:06,760 leave a message on there - now do you 2322 01:56:12,150 --> 01:56:10,390 actually take reports yourselves I take 2323 01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:12,160 reports if they're outside the area if 2324 01:56:15,900 --> 01:56:14,170 people don't for some reason I don't 2325 01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:15,910 know why I don't want to give it to move 2326 01:56:25,230 --> 01:56:18,610 on or if it's to spookier they're afraid 2327 01:56:27,450 --> 01:56:25,240 of their anonymity anonymous go to the 2328 01:56:31,410 --> 01:56:27,460 MUFON site report it if you want 2329 01:56:33,900 --> 01:56:31,420 something directly to me and for for one 2330 01:56:36,510 --> 01:56:33,910 reason or another if you're with another 2331 01:56:38,340 --> 01:56:36,520 organization agency or whatever then you 2332 01:56:42,500 --> 01:56:38,350 want me to look at it that's fine police 2333 01:56:45,540 --> 01:56:42,510 department whatever if you're afraid to 2334 01:56:48,900 --> 01:56:45,550 to give it to any group / saying is one 2335 01:56:50,250 --> 01:56:48,910 a person without it fine and they're 2336 01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:50,260 welcome to give me a call 2337 01:56:57,840 --> 01:56:54,970 just shoot me an email all right that's 2338 01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:57,850 gonna be it for us today sorry we have 2339 01:57:03,150 --> 01:56:59,920 to cut off for another show coming up 2340 01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:03,160 live and thank you very much for being 2341 01:57:06,410 --> 01:57:04,810 on the show and I have a couple of other 2342 01:57:10,290 --> 01:57:06,420 people to thank 2343 01:57:12,060 --> 01:57:10,300 Alejandro Rojas for the UFO news then 2344 01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:12,070 after that I'd like to thank Keith 2345 01:57:16,230 --> 01:57:15,040 Roland for for producing the dark matter 2346 01:57:19,890 --> 01:57:16,240 radio network 2347 01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:19,900 Peggy shining for the Facebook page and 2348 01:57:24,780 --> 01:57:22,810 if you like us on Facebook about twenty 2349 01:57:26,730 --> 01:57:24,790 thousand people are so have you'll get 2350 01:57:29,610 --> 01:57:26,740 all the latest UFO news Peggy does a 2351 01:57:30,120 --> 01:57:29,620 great job with that and I also want to 2352 01:57:32,100 --> 01:57:30,130 thank 2353 01:57:35,310 --> 01:57:32,110 Kerry Lloyd White House 2354 01:57:37,260 --> 01:57:35,320 and Bruce Renier for the music and I 2355 01:57:38,820 --> 01:57:37,270 also want to thank you the subscriber 2356 01:57:41,610 --> 01:57:38,830 because if you're listening now that 2357 01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:41,620 means you're subscribing to get Joyride 2358 01:57:45,750 --> 01:57:44,050 and helping us out and I want to say I 2359 01:57:47,700 --> 01:57:45,760 really really appreciate that 2360 01:57:50,010 --> 01:57:47,710 helps with all the expenses of the show 2361 01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:50,020 well that's it for this week and we'll 2362 01:57:53,460 --> 01:57:52,000 see you here next week right here on the 2363 01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:53,470 Dark Matter radio network